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Doomworld forum user buttspit {{dwforums|70984|posted a list}} probably not exhaustive but still more complete than what we have in the article currently. There are much less details about them though, having only the title and for some an approximate level count. I'm pasting the list below for posterity. --[[User:Gez|Gez]] ([[User talk:Gez|talk]]) 10:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 
Doomworld forum user buttspit {{dwforums|70984|posted a list}} probably not exhaustive but still more complete than what we have in the article currently. There are much less details about them though, having only the title and for some an approximate level count. I'm pasting the list below for posterity. --[[User:Gez|Gez]] ([[User talk:Gez|talk]]) 10:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  
: A few of these I'm aware of, such as the alternate versions of ''Demon Gate'' that claim 600, vs 666, levels, but I've not had time to research them yet. If you branch out into German, some of them are documented [http://www.addoncollector.spielepedia.de/doomde.html here], but to be honest I feel like some of these obvious hack jobs somebody had printed up at the German version of Kinko's, don't even list a publisher at all, and are probably owned by 10 people in the whole world have to be below our notability standards. Thanks for the list though, it'll give me (or anybody else) something to work off of. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 16:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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: A few of these I'm aware of, such as the alternate versions of ''Demon Gate'' that claim 600, vs 666, levels, but I've not had time to research them yet. If you branch out into German, some of them are documented {{archived link|http://www.addoncollector.spielepedia.de/doomde.html|here|https://web.archive.org/web/20160401054429/http://www.addoncollector.spielepedia.de/doomde.html|archive.org}}, but to be honest I feel like some of these obvious hack jobs somebody had printed up at the German version of Kinko's, don't even list a publisher at all, and are probably owned by 10 people in the whole world have to be below our notability standards. Thanks for the list though, it'll give me (or anybody else) something to work off of. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 16:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  
 
: NB: I am adding notes to some of these. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 16:28, 2 April 2016 (CDT)
 
: NB: I am adding notes to some of these. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 16:28, 2 April 2016 (CDT)

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# of WADs vs. # of levels / claimed vs. actual numbers

I'm not sure that the current field is clear enough on what it's actually reporting. In my experience these compilations are more likely to be marketed with a number of "levels" rather than a number of "WADs" which can be a relevant distinction when a single .WAD sometimes contains multiple levels. This also makes it more difficult to test the veracity of the publisher's claims.

An actual number of levels vs. claimed number of levels might be interesting, but given the tediousness of checking this, perhaps it's better to consider that this field be dropped as too lacking in real information? -- ETTiNGRiNDER (talk) 21:10, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I know it's a bit of a problem determining "levels" vs. "WADs" but it's still useful information to judge the relative size of the compilations by. However I would request that you not include/add things like "1000's" - if you are unable to get an actual numeric figure and cannot download and mount the image to manually count, then don't include the information at all.
I also removed the word (registered) from the Launcher field because it is not part of the launcher program's title and was causing that column to increase in length and the table width is already maxing out. --Quasar (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Shovelware list

Doomworld forum user buttspit posted a list probably not exhaustive but still more complete than what we have in the article currently. There are much less details about them though, having only the title and for some an approximate level count. I'm pasting the list below for posterity. --Gez (talk) 10:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

A few of these I'm aware of, such as the alternate versions of Demon Gate that claim 600, vs 666, levels, but I've not had time to research them yet. If you branch out into German, some of them are documented here (archived 🏛), but to be honest I feel like some of these obvious hack jobs somebody had printed up at the German version of Kinko's, don't even list a publisher at all, and are probably owned by 10 people in the whole world have to be below our notability standards. Thanks for the list though, it'll give me (or anybody else) something to work off of. --Quasar (talk) 16:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
NB: I am adding notes to some of these. --Quasar (talk) 16:28, 2 April 2016 (CDT)
1001 Nights of Doom - ? (Already listed -Quasar)
3D Game Alchemy - >2400? (Already listed -Quasar)
3D Nightmares - ?
4-Ever Doomed - >1200
Absolute Mayhem - ?
Aliens Doom - 11
Aliens Doom (different from above) - 27
Boom Power Pack [OHBOOM1] (German) - 440 (Includes extra resources -Quasar)
Boom Power Pack [OHBOOM2] (German+English) - 650 (Includes extra resources -Quasar)
Boom 2 Power Pack [B-OHBOOM2] (German+English) - 1000 (Includes extra resources -Quasar)
Boom 2 Supplement - >1321
Boom Classic Power Pack (German+English+French) - 2000 (Includes extra resources -Quasar)
CD Powerplay - 695
CD Powerplay Total Carnage Issue 3 - 550
Chex Quest - 5
Club Software 1996 Doom WADS - ?
Cream of the Crop (#3-11, #20-26) - ?
Cobra Doom Utilities (1st Ed?) - >350 (Includes extra resources -Quasar)
Cobra Doom Utilities 2nd Ed - ?
Cobra Doom II Episodes Volume I and II - 60
Cobra Powerpack - ?
Cobra Utilities for Doom and Doom II - 1200 (Includes extra resources -Quasar)
D-1000 - 1000
D!Match 150  - 150
D!Match - 500
D!Zone - 150
D!Zone 150 - 150
D!Zone 2 (1 shot box; French version also exists) - 1000
D!Zone 2 (3 shots box) - 1000
D!Zone 2 150 - 150
D!Zone 3 - 1000
D!Zone Collector's Edition (1 shot box) - >900
D!Zone Collector's Edition (3 shots box) - >900
D!Zone Gold 3000 - 3000
D!Zone Mac - 2000
Deathday Collection - >1000
Deathmatch for Doom and Doom II - ~1300
Deathmatch 2 for Doom and Doom II - 900
Death Match The Ultimate Game Player's Kit (UK and US versions) - >7000
Demon Collection - ?
Demon Gate - >600
Demon Gate 666 - >666
Demon Gate Mac - >600
Demon Gate Mega Collection - >6000
Depths of Doom Trilogy (Master Levels+Ultimate Doom) - 3030
DM2 Magic for Doom II - >270 (Includes extra utilities; published by MICROBOSS Germany -Quasar)
DM2 Super Magic - 440 (Published by MICROBOSS Germany -Quasar)
DO.M I Do.M II Dark Fo.ces (English+German) - ? (Either published by or subtitled "Krieger des Graunes", which means Warriors of Horror -Quasar)
Doom & More - 0
Doom + Accessories - >500
Doom 1 & 2 Add-On Levels (2 versions with rearranged text) - >300 (Canadian publisher, name unknown -Quasar)
Doom 2 Addons (centipede on cover) - >1500
Doom 2 Explosion - >2218
Doom Add-Ons - 800 (Also includes editors, resources, and SW v1.6 -Quasar)
Doom Add Ons - ?
Doom Advanced Utility CD-ROM - ? (Seems to include tons of editor utils, and resources, not sure if levels are included -Quasar)
Doom Alien Adventure - 27
Doom Collector's Edition (2001; Ultimate Doom) - 9
Doom Collector's Edition (2003; Ultimate Doom) - 9
Doom Companion (bundled with Tricks of the Doom Programming Gurus) - >1000
Doom Companion CD-ROM - ? (Has volcano on cover; Includes editors and demo recordings -Quasar)
Doom Companion Edition - ? (I own this, have not gotten around to verifying contents -Quasar)
Doom Construction Kit - 30
Doom Deluxe CD-ROM - ?
Doom Developers Kit Vol 1 - 850 (Includes extra resources/editors -Quasar)
Doom Expert - ?
Doom Explosion - >1200 (Includes extra resources/editors and shareware version  -Quasar)
Doom Extra Hard - 27 (unaltered maps, different monster placement)
Doom Extra Levels Vol 1 - 40 (3.5" floppy; Published by Arcade International, Ltd. -Quasar)
Doom Extra Levels Vol 2 - 70 (Ditto -Quasar)
Doom Extras - >361 (Published by Software Solutions, includes extra resources, utils, and shareware version -Quasar)
Doom Extras II - ? (Likely same as Doom II Extras, which I have added -Quasar)
Doom Game Editor - >1000 (This is the CD-ROM for Joe Pantuso's Wiley & Sons published "The Doom Game Editor" book -Quasar)
Doom Fever - >500 (Cover says is for Doom II and includes "accessories" -Quasar)
Doom Hacker's Guide CD - >42 (CD-ROM for The Doom Hacker's Guide by Hank Leukart -Quasar)
Doom Heaven - >2500 (Includes extra resources/utils -Quasar)
Doom Heaven II - >2500 (Ditto -Quasar)
Doom Helper - >1000 (Ditto; and 3 versions of Doom shareware; published by Chicago Computer Broker -Quasar)
Doom Helper 2 - 1900 (Ditto -Quasar)
Doom I/II Collection - >100 (Says "hundreds", published by SoftKey, similar to "The Ultimate Add On Collection for Doom & Doom II" -Quasar)
Doom II Explosion - >2000 (Includes extra resources/editors -Quasar)
Doom II Heretic Hexen CD Book - ?
Doom II Mania!!! #1 - 432
Doom II Mania!!! #2 - ?
Doom Mania!!! - 525
Doom Mega Set - ?
Doom Shareware CD - >2900
Doom Special Edition - >169
Doom Unlimited - >879
Doom Utilities - ?
Doom Utilities II - ?
Doom2 Unauthorized Guide - 0
Doomania - 2600 (German; Doom and Doom II -Quasar)
Doomania: il passaporto per l'Inferno - ?
Doomed Games - ?
DoomII Megawad Collection #1 - >100
Dooms Day Collection - ? (Published by Microforum; Doom and Doom II, includes utilities, resources, and patches - possibly republish of Deathday Collection, uses same cover art -Quasar)
Doomware Developers Network CD Occurrence I - >1000
Enhancements - >1106
Final Doom - 64
Game Box Vol 1 - ?
Gamers Arsenal - ?
Games 1994 - ?
Games 1995 - ?
Games 1996 - ?
Games Chameleon - 1140
Gaminator - 1300
Giga Games 2 - >616
Gold Medal Software (Volumes 3-5) - ?
Hacx - 20
Hell on CD-ROM - ?
Hell to Pay - 32
Home Edutainment Collection Volume IV - 1200
id Anthology (Ultimate Doom; PC Master Levels only; Mac Master Levels with MaxDoom) - 3030/3051
Instant Doom Levels - >1000
Instant Doom Levels 2.0 - ?
January 1995 Current Shareware - ?
July 1994 Current Shareware Volume II - ?
Laura Beyer's Doom - 12
Level-ROM - >1112
Level Master - ?
Level Master II - >2400
Levelmania - 2450
Levelmania 2 - ?
MacGames 3 - ?
Master Levels for Doom II - 3021
Maximum Death for Doom - 1600
Maximum Death for Doom II - 2400
MegaCD-ROM #5 - ?
MegaDoom 3 Add-On CD-ROM - 500 (From Luxembourg and Netherlands; claims to also include best of 2 previous editions, part of "CD-Thuis Collectie")
MegaDoom Adventures - >300
MegaDoom II - >1500 (Doom, Doom II, and Heretic -Quasar)
Mega WAD Vol I - ?
Mega WAD Vol II - ?
New Doom Levels: Into the Fire - 27
New Horizons Shareware Collection - ?
Night Owl Games 3 - ?
Night Owl (#13, #15, #16-18, #20) - ?
Over 1000 Doom Levels - >2064
PC Zone Bioforce (April 1995) - >1130
PC Zone CD Edition - 1000
PC Zone Explosive (December 1994) - >455
Perdition's Gate - 32
Power Duke - ?
PSL Monthly Volume #3-10: Education - ?
Quake 'Em - ?
Shareware Extravaganza 8 - ?
Shareware Medley - >443
So Much Shareware 6 - ?
Software Vault: Diamond - ?
Sprint Gamers Companion 5 - ?
Soundblaster Multimedia Experience Volume 4 - ?
Star Wars Doom - 21
Supercharged Doom - ?
Supercharged Xpansion Pack - >500
Supergames Volume 1 - ?
Supergames Volume 2 - >20 (Includes utils, guides, resources, shareware v1.2 -Quasar)
The Complete Doom Accessory Pack - >150 (Includes utils, resources -Quasar)
The Complete Doom Accessory Pack Volume II - 600 (Ditto)
The Complete Doom Accessory Pack Volume III - 650 (Ditto)
The Complete Doom Accessory Pack Volume IV - 2300 (Ditto)
The Doom Hacker's Guide - ? (Same as Hacker's Guide to Doom by Hank Leukart -Quasar)
The Hacker's Encyclopedia '98 - ?
The Home Edutainment Collection Volume 4 3D Games and Extensions (Aztech New Media Corp) - ?
The Lost Episodes of Doom - 24
The Pier Shareware (#5-10) - ?
The Q Files - ?
The Toom Parade CDR2028 - ?
The Toom Parade CDR2133 - ?
The Ultimate & The Classic (Ultimate Doom) - 9
The Ultimate Add On Collection For Doom/Doom II - >1000 (Incl. hits, maps, editor utils; has same blurb about "First aid" on it as Doom I/II Collection -Quasar)
The Ultimate WAD Pack - ?
Time of Reckoning - 500
Toolkit for Doom Version 1 - 500? (Published by Walnut Creek CDROM; name implies includes utils; probably stuff from /idgames archive -Quasar)
Toolkit for Doom Version 1 and 2 - 500? (Ditto -Quasar)
Toolkit for Doom Volume 1 - >1243 
Toolkit for Doom Volume 3 - >3328
Total Ruin 1 - >3000
Total Ruin 2 - ?
Tricks of the Doom Programming Gurus - >1000
Ultimate Add-On's Tournament Edition - >2500?
Ultimate Doom (basically an add-on) - 9
Ultimate Doom Companion - >3600
Ultimate Gameware Collection - ?
UltraDoom - 400
Universe of Levels(?) - ?
Video Game Solution CD Release 2.0 - ?
Violence in 3D - >700
Violence Volume 2 - >1000?
Virtual Reality - >100 (Doom & Doom II; includes editors/utils and shareware version -Quasar)
WADS of WADS - >100
Xtra Shake - >1277

Level Master II

A few notes on my recent edit and the product.

  • The contents appear to just be a copy of 3D Game Alchemy. I didn't get a sealed copy, but the book is pictured on the back of the box and the book fits the box just right. My copy didn't come with anything beyond the box and book with disc.
  • The book is from SAMS, but the box says Macmillan Digital Publishing USA, so I changed it to this.
  • I do not see the phrase "Instant Doom Levels" written anywhere on the box or book cover.
  • I have seen Level Master III, IV and V offered for sale on eBay/Amazon, but never just plain Level Master (I). This kind of bugs me since the Level Master II box does say "Volume 2" on the side. (I don't have 3-5, which are not Doom-related anyway.) What's with this? Was there really a Level Master I out there somewhere? Is it related to the previous edition of 3D Game Alchemy (Tricks of the Doom Programming Gurus)?

-- ETTiNGRiNDER (talk) 17:50, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Most of my info came from here. This page says it comes with an eBook copy of Tricks of the Doom Gurus, which is not the same book as 3D Game Alchemy - see List of books. Are we sure this is the one-and-the-same product? --Quasar (talk) 18:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Some photos. I really don't think archive.org puts much care into those collections. -- ETTiNGRiNDER (talk) 19:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Clearly not. Your changes look good to me in light of the pics. --Quasar (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Hang on, is the book electronic or physical? There seems to be confusion on that point in the sources I have available. --Quasar (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Physical, it's a big tome that fills up the box snugly and has the CD-ROM in a pouch at the back. -- ETTiNGRiNDER (talk) 21:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for confirming. --Quasar (talk) 22:00, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
On closer inspection, the CD-ROM includes a few PDF supplements to the book, one discussing some of the new features in Hexen, and a couple others regarding using DMapEdit and DeeP. It's a small addendum, nowhere near the full book, but is probably where the ebook claim came from. -- ETTiNGRiNDER (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)