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Nexus Mods is in the process of archiving and transferring all the files held by Filefront to their own servers, which will include all downloads they ever hosted, which means the Doom files there will be preserved at a new home. :) [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 17:29, 25 May 2016 (CDT)

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References

Is there a standard way to write author names in references? It seems "Lastname, Firstname" is more common, but I've seen "Firstname Lastname" too. See Timeline#References where I reformatted a few before asking, and Idgames_archive#References which made me ask as yet. And what if there are two authors? Perhaps this can be described in a help page or the FAQ. --Xymph (talk) 12:44, 30 January 2016 (CST)

We've been slowly standardizing on "Last, First". As with pretty much everything, it's a perpetual work in progress and occasionally gets reverted by accident ;) For multiple authors, the MLA guidelines apply, which are to list them in the order they are listed on the work with "Last, First, First Last, ... and First Last". Some examples:
Hugh, Dafydd ab and Brad Linaweaver
Rhinewald, Shane and Kim Della Porta
Mendoza, Jonathan, Christen David Klie, and Robert Kiana Carter
I don't believe this has been enshrined in the FAQ or guidelines yet beyond the vague wording that citations should follow an established format such as MLA or APA when practical.
--Quasar (talk) 12:57, 30 January 2016 (CST)
PS I took the opportunity to finally make all the refs on the timeline consistent. Been on my TODO list for ages :D --Quasar (talk) 13:38, 30 January 2016 (CST)
Thanks for the explanation, and for fixing Timeline before I had a chance to revert my changes. ;) --Xymph (talk) 13:43, 30 January 2016 (CST)

Pending edits

I came across a few pages with pending edits from several days ago. The Recent Changes page (when expanded back to mid-January) also shows at least half a dozen unchecked pages. Is that intentional or did these fall through the reviewing cracks? --Xymph (talk) 03:16, 1 February 2016 (CST)

Unchecked pages are ones that no one has felt confident to review yet. Pending ones may have slipped through, or, we were waiting for somebody who might be able to verify them and such a person has never showed up. Marking a revision as "approved" is basically our stamp that we think it has at least a modicum of accuracy and completeness, and adheres to most if not all editing guidelines. Sometimes it's a matter of not having had enough time to get around to them also. --Quasar (talk) 09:31, 1 February 2016 (CST)

Hell

You sent a message saying that Hell is a place name and therefore should be capitalized but on the article of the Baron of Hell, Hell is not capitalized? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperShotgunPenguin (talkcontribs) .

That was a unilateral decision made back in 2008 by an admin who is no longer a contributor to the site; nobody ever got around to reversing it. See Baron of Hell (Doom 2016) for a more recent example. --Quasar (talk) 12:26, 12 April 2016 (CDT)

Why hasn't it been moved yet? How would one go around moving it? --SuperShotgunPenguin (talk) 10:10, 13 April 2016 (CDT)

I opened a discussion on Doom Wiki:Central Processing with that goal. We try to establish consensus before doing these sorts of major changes. However nobody has replied to it so far. Sometimes the operational status quo here is glacial in pace. Believe me, I get frustrated with it as much as anybody. --Quasar (talk) 10:28, 13 April 2016 (CDT)
There is also a technical reason: FlaggedRevs prevents moves after a page has been approved.  (Here it doesn't matter, I suppose, because retitling a core article would have incited discussion anyway.)    Ryan W (talk) 18:40, 13 April 2016 (CDT)

Shovelware covers

Feel free to use this picture if you think it'd fit (the pics already uploaded are smaller in resolution, but I don't know whether it's because they had that size on the source or because they were downsized before upload). That was a scan I made myself because the photo I first made with a potato had awful glare. --Gez (talk) 15:55, 5 May 2016 (CDT)

Sure. I've been focusing on the 110 relevant images from addoncollector.spielepedia.de which has recently disappeared off the net to get started, but it's possible that better images of some of the ones it had exist, and I also neglected to check the Internet Archive's collection which has a few too. We can hit those afterward I guess. I'm still only a bit more than half way through the AOC images x_x --Quasar (talk) 20:36, 5 May 2016 (CDT)

Wanted to let you know you can use content from our wiki

We at All The Tropes have the same license you guys do, so if you want to use content from us (TV Tropes has a license that is incompatible with yours), please, feel free, we have the same attribution requirements. In fact just made a page on the latest Doom using content from here with the origin of the content used from here attributed in the page history. Arcane (talk) 18:31, 14 May 2016 (CDT)

Thanks for the heads up :) --Quasar (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2016 (CDT)

Content question

Hi Quasar:

Would like to help updating contents specific to the latest DOOM game (2016).

Will there be copyright issues if contents are copied directly from the in-game Codex? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ‎VyRianS (talkcontribs) .

Limited quotations and excerpts, with proper attribution, are OK, but copy-pasting entire codex entries doesn't fall under fair use. There are a couple already on the wiki but these need to be rewritten in our own words ASAP. I would encourage you to work as much content as possible into articles as paraphrased prose rather than dumping in material wholesale, as there is no uniqueness and, people can already read that material in-game anyway. We seek to offer commentary and exposition on the material here rather than repeat it exactly. --Quasar (talk) 01:50, 23 May 2016 (CDT)

Thanks for the reply, will paraphrase.

I've read the policies on capitalization for the site and I don't really agree with them, for example the link under monsters/enemies: "Hell knight" honestly looks like it could be improved by capitalizing the first letter of the second word. Same goes for "Quad damage".

I've looked online for capitalization standards but am unable to find a reputable one.

I'd like to know if this can be changed? For aesthetic purposes.

You would have to bring that up on Doom Wiki:Central Processing, but I'm pretty certain that it won't achieve consensus, as we spent the last ~7 years slowly converting to a literary convention where only proper nouns are capitalized, so that this site is more like an encyclopedic work than a game's instruction booklet. Games frequently follow an Every Word Capped for Nouns convention; even the original Doom instruction manual did this, which is why, back in 2005, this site started out doing the same. But then we realized that when you're reading an article and you run into this:
The Super Shotgun is a stronger form of the Shotgun distinguished by having two barrels. It uses the same Ammo and is good to use against Zombiemen.
That it is not only grammatically incorrect in English, but it is also harder on the eyes than the appropriate:
The super shotgun is a stronger form of the shotgun distinguished by having two barrels. It uses the same ammo and is good to use against zombiemen.
It is particularly illustrative if, we dispense for a moment with the game-specific nature of the text and imagine instead writing this, on a site like Wikipedia:
One will find that many Zoos have Lions, Tigers, and Bears. When fed, these Animals are often tossed a Chunk of Raw Meat.
Only in languages like German is capitalization of all nouns considered proper grammar. Hope this helps with why we made the change-over. Note a lot of articles on this site still haven't been converted, like most of the Heretic and Hexen articles, and this is just from A. lack of time and B. reduced interest in those games as compared to Doom here. --Quasar (talk) 09:35, 24 May 2016 (CDT)

Quasar, a final question:

If a screenshot of ingame material is taken, which license do I file the image under?

I'm thinking of adding images for the weapons section.

For Doom 2016 material, you'll need to avoid the license picker drop box and instead enter the following text into the image description box, after any description for the file itself:

==Licensing==
{{Screenshot-doom|Doom (2016) screenshots}}

--Quasar (talk) 11:26, 24 May 2016 (CDT)

Good news, The Nexus Mods is archiving the Filefront archives

Nexus Mods is in the process of archiving and transferring all the files held by Filefront to their own servers, which will include all downloads they ever hosted, which means the Doom files there will be preserved at a new home. :) Arcane (talk) 17:29, 25 May 2016 (CDT)