User talk:Eris Falling

Screenshot names
Please try to give relevant names to the files you upload. E.g., "CC4_MAP01_Slime_trail.png" is a relevant name, whereas "Screenshot_Doom_Timestamp" isn't. The form to upload pics lets you rename them on the fly (destination filename), so use that. Thanks. --Gez 19:58, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Map data
Hello, Eris. Hope you never felt too bad because of the few changes I made for the DTWID level articles a while ago. Don't forget now that the map data you uploaded was mainly all right - the way you expressed vertex counts was just flawy, for which I don't blame you. The point is that you can freely upload the thing, linedef, sidedef and sector information for the new Knee-Deep in ZDoom level articles. And if you like to have help on how to get the total amount of vertices for a level, I can give it. --Jartapran 19:34, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah no it's cool, I saw the same problem appeared on some Plutonia pages anyway. The method I used for getting the numbers shown in my tables was done via DB2 Statistics mode, which I assume is where the differences came in. Another problem is that I can only run SLADE 3 (for extracting individual KDIZD levels) on another computer, which I'm never at. I will do them eventually, though. However, I think SLADE 3 also displays the number of linedefs, vertices, etc. Maybe these are more accurate. --Eris Falling 19:53, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * OK. A moment ago, I tested SLADE 3 and immediately found an easy way to find out the total amount of vertices. Just open the target WAD, select the VERTEXES lump under the level in question and see the reading of Entry Size (accompanying Entry Type). Once you divide the number by four, you get the amount that needs to be used in the map data slot. :) For instance, E1M8's lump is 1,312 bytes so: 1,312 / 4 = 328. When it comes to the remaining attributes of map data, you may go on using DB2's accessory. But, do add the stats when you see it fit. --Jartapran 20:32, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * What I've decided to do is leave all vertex counts for now, and then find out all for all my current and future articles, and record them in User:Eris Falling/Vertex counts, so I can refer back to them later. This seems like the easiest solution, given that I can not run SLADE 3 on my main computer. --Eris Falling 20:57, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Map names
Like I said to Unmaker, the template takes care of putting levels in the proper categories automatically. The only thing it doesn't handle is level authors. There is no need to explicitly add "Category:Levels by name" to each map. --Gez 16:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Noted, thanks. This doesn't apply for placing mapper categories (such as "Category:Michael Mancuso levels") into "Category:Levels by author" though, right? --Eris Falling 16:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't handle authors; just the map slot and levels by name. --Gez 18:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Sectors
You mentioned that I should put "sectors" on the secrets I find and edit them on their related level pages. How can I do that? I have ZDoom and GZDoom by the way.

--Strogglet 16:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * As you might have noticed, a lot of the secrets you added had numbers in the format of (sector number). As you might also have noticed, some of the secrets were missing these numbers. I found the numbers that existed by opening up the maps in Doom Builder 2 and using the search tool to find sectors that were tagged as secret. By studying the location of the sectors that showed up, I managed to infer which secret the sector number was referring to. Unfortunately, it only accounts for those that are tagged as secret only, and as such there are other secrets with different effects (such as friction for example), that will not show up in the list. --Eris Falling 16:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * After extracting individual levels from the PK3 - you may be able to avoid this in GZDoombuilder, but don't quote me on it.


 * Frankly I do not see any reason why these numbers must be on the map pages, but I do write them anyway for the sake of completeness. Markers on level map views would be immensely more useful for the reader, but hardly anybody ever going to mess with those. Never dealt with generalized sectors and such, and I wouldn't bother myself in such cases. IIRC it was User:Ducon who made the Template:Map skel where these sector numbers supposedly originate from, maybe he had something in mind about them initially.


 * By the way Eris, KDIZD map pics that you uploaded are a total incomprehensible mess, don't you find? From my inquiries, SLADE makes mapviews in 800x600 and there seems to be no way to make them any bigger, while omgifol script just borks out with zdoom maps, and alas I don't know a thing in Python in order to tweak it. I wonder if something can be done about this, Unmaker 19:11, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Partial answer: sector numbers are included for disambiguation. Most maps (including some id maps) arrange secret sectors in an inconsistent way, not always matching the room's architecture or placement of loot, and it would be cumbersome to specify verbally in each case.  The precision can be useful, e.g., when speedrunning and you want to know if you can pick up the secret without traversing the whole chamber.  As a general principle over the years, we have tried to be comprehensive with technical content in order to be a useful reference work for programmers and mappers, not just for players.    Ryan W 20:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Secret list of Z1M3
As an attempt to shorten the QA backlog, I had a look at the pending contribution to Z1M3: Toxin Refinery (Knee-Deep in ZDoom). I already reworded the content but couldn't publish it because of a few issues.

Considering the size of the contribution, I believe the factual accuracy is mainly acceptable. Secrets #5 and #6, however, have something odd in them: The hidden ledge in the computer is still present. and The other hidden ledge returns as well.

Has something important been left out from those two? "Still", does it refer to some in-game event or to the fact it hasn't yet been mentioned in the secret list? "Ledge returns", what does this mean? Is there only a single computer in the level, which would explain that there aren't more details about the locations of these two secrets?

I've never played the level, but I assume you're familiar with it. That's why I'd like to ask, if you could check the secret list, modify it if you see it fit and review/publish the changes. --Jartapran 12:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)