Doom Wiki:Central Processing/2018


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Just creating a comment here to kick off 2018 discussions. -Quasar (talk) 09:07, 1 January 2018 (CST)

Eh?  1994 discussions are where it's at.    Ryan W (living fossil) 10:17, 4 January 2018 (CST)
Hello everyone and Happy New Year. Fraggle (talk) 16:28, 4 January 2018 (CST)

Mass deletion of source port subpages

Please see here to give your opinion.  This is effectively a deletion nomination even though nothing will be tagged, so it shouldn't be buried on a template talk page.  :>    Ryan W (living fossil) 08:17, 24 February 2018 (CST)

discussing systems/sysadmin/operational issues here

It would be desirable to move lots of IRC conversations on these topics to the Wiki. Some of them are fine to discuss publically and could just be handled like any other wiki issue, on this page. However some I think are possible a little more sensitive. What do the admins think of us having some kind of hidden or protected page for those issues? (Of course, some might be too sensitive to put on the wiki at all. But not all.)

Some issues (not categorising them according to the above yet) recently discussed include

  • backup process, frequency, improvements
  • software updates
  • general things about hardening
  • thumbnail size issues

-- Jdowland (talk) 11:22, 28 February 2018 (CST)

Only a few people have the expertise and access to contribute directly regarding server issues.  Ultimately, it's their decision whether recordkeeping and transparency are important enough to spend extra time documenting on-wiki (we are an all-volunteer project after all).  As a wiki admin with neither, a few peripheral thoughts:
  • Some tasks are by nature interactive, like upgrading or debugging.  IRC is a better tool for that; there's no good reason to post "I ran this command and got an error" and wait hours for someone to read it, or copy 40K of logs for a post mortem.  That said, I think it always helps sociologically to get news updates after the fact, especially when the rest of us can help by testing something or promulgating a process change.  The last MW upgrade wasn't even announced in advance, which is not a good thing given it can potentially lock editing for days.
  • It is virtually impossible, by design, to make a hidden page.  (Maybe completely impossible, or Wikipedia would use them for arbitration deliberations and privacy cases and fifteen other things.  But they don't; they create tiny spin-off wikis, with their own installs and subdomains.)
  • Regarding any infrastructure matter, we will have users with expertise but not access, because the Doom community is so large.  On-wiki discussions would (in theory) allow their knowledge to benefit us, and help them feel more involved.  We made a dog's breakfast of delegation and inclusiveness during the fork: people offered numerous suggestions about configuration, Google ranking, authentication issues, and the strong impression is that they were totally ignored, even when Quasar and manc obviously didn't have time to research everything themselves.  Most of those people stopped contributing to the wiki.  We don't want to repeat that.
Ryan W (living fossil) 07:06, 1 March 2018 (CST)
Thanks for that. Given the futility of trying to have a private page on the wiki, I suggest we set up a Trello board for such things. In fact I just did. Could those admins interested in this (especially User:Quasar :)) please message me your trello login (once created if not already) and I'll add you to the board. -- Jdowland (talk) 06:26, 5 March 2018 (CST)