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== Should edits be published if they cannot be verified? ==
 
== Should edits be published if they cannot be verified? ==
  
These pending edits have bothered me for long: [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=DOOM.WAD&action=historysubmit&diff=85714&oldid=84860  ], [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=PLUTONIA.WAD&action=historysubmit&diff=85718&oldid=83479  ] and [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=NERVE.WAD&action=historysubmit&diff=85721&oldid=85278  ]. Last time when similar additions were made, I published them purely out of good faith but thought afterwards if the content should have been verified again before publishing. I couldn't do a re-check back then because I didn't own the game in question. The same problem is here now.  
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These pending edits have bothered me for long: [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=DOOM.WAD&action=historysubmit&diff=85714&oldid=84860  ], [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=PLUTONIA.WAD&action=historysubmit&diff=85718&oldid=83479  ] and [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=NERVE.WAD&action=historysubmit&diff=85721&oldid=85278  ]. Last time when similar additions were made, I published them purely out of good faith but thought afterwards if the content should have been verified again before publishing. I couldn't do a re-check back then because I didn't own the game in question. The same problem is here now.  
  
This time I'd like to ask about the policy on the matter. I noticed that the fourth edit of the same quality was approved lately ([https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=DOOM2.WAD&action=historysubmit&diff=85715&oldid=84859  ]), but one cannot tell to what extent it was examined. --[[User:Jartapran|Jartapran]] 22:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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This time I'd like to ask about the policy on the matter. I noticed that the fourth edit of the same quality was approved lately ([http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=DOOM2.WAD&action=historysubmit&diff=85715&oldid=84859  ]), but one cannot tell to what extent it was examined. --[[User:Jartapran|Jartapran]] 22:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
  
 
: There isn't a policy right now, only the opinions of the verifiers, so here is mine.  Ideally, yes, technical changes would at least be spot checked, because the average reader can't or won't do so.  I personally don't publish such edits unless I have time to do the research.  I can understand, however, why people don't want to leave an article in draft form for years just because it's about overflow handling in an Atari ST port or something.    [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] 01:26, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 
: There isn't a policy right now, only the opinions of the verifiers, so here is mine.  Ideally, yes, technical changes would at least be spot checked, because the average reader can't or won't do so.  I personally don't publish such edits unless I have time to do the research.  I can understand, however, why people don't want to leave an article in draft form for years just because it's about overflow handling in an Atari ST port or something.    [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] 01:26, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
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== Asdfsfs got blocked by AbuseFilter? ==
 
== Asdfsfs got blocked by AbuseFilter? ==
  
Thought this would be worth bringing up. I noticed that the latest action was triggered by an edit to [[User:Asdfsfs]]. [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=11  ] Now, if it was done by a spambot, I ask that Asdfsfs would write to this topic to announce that it was the case.
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Thought this would be worth bringing up. I noticed that the latest action was triggered by an edit to [[User:Asdfsfs]]. [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=11  ] Now, if it was done by a spambot, I ask that Asdfsfs would write to this topic to announce that it was the case.
  
But, if the contributor was Asdfsfs who tried to create a user page without logging in, the block was gratuitous. I mind because I think his [https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Asdfsfs contributions] have been constructive, and it would be a shame if he got blocked for good because of such a reason. I'm not the one to make decisions here, though. --[[User:Jartapran|Jartapran]] 21:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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But, if the contributor was Asdfsfs who tried to create a user page without logging in, the block was gratuitous. I mind because I think his [http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Asdfsfs contributions] have been constructive, and it would be a shame if he got blocked for good because of such a reason. I'm not the one to make decisions here, though. --[[User:Jartapran|Jartapran]] 21:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
  
 
: The block log summary says "anon only", so I assume that if Asdfsfs logs in, he can still edit as he did before.  (If he has a dynamic IP, he could even edit anonymously by rebooting his computer or router.)  I'm less excited about AbuseFilter than some people, but we used to get these attacks daily, which is almost too much at our current activity level.    [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] 22:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 
: The block log summary says "anon only", so I assume that if Asdfsfs logs in, he can still edit as he did before.  (If he has a dynamic IP, he could even edit anonymously by rebooting his computer or router.)  I'm less excited about AbuseFilter than some people, but we used to get these attacks daily, which is almost too much at our current activity level.    [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] 22:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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The fact that I reacted strongly to the review requests of PolicyNonsense [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Doom_Wiki:Central_Processing&diff=prev&oldid=78405  ] [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:IRC&diff=prev&oldid=76629  ] affected a lot. Probably it was because I wanted to show that I was serious with Editor status, and regarded the requests as customer feedback to which I need to respond. On [[Talk:IRC]], I then learned that there are actually two ranges of approvals for the pages, ''checked'' that Editors and Reviewers can set and ''quality'' that only Reviewers can set.
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The fact that I reacted strongly to the review requests of PolicyNonsense [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Doom_Wiki:Central_Processing&diff=prev&oldid=78405  ] [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:IRC&diff=prev&oldid=76629  ] affected a lot. Probably it was because I wanted to show that I was serious with Editor status, and regarded the requests as customer feedback to which I need to respond. On [[Talk:IRC]], I then learned that there are actually two ranges of approvals for the pages, ''checked'' that Editors and Reviewers can set and ''quality'' that only Reviewers can set.
  
Afterwards, I attempted to keep the [https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Special:OldReviewedPages page of outdated reviewed pages] as clean as possible. As I couldn't do anything for the changes on quality pages and saw that they would not vanish from the page, I became anxious and started to write these request messages to the users who could review the pages. [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AQuasar&action=historysubmit&diff=79519&oldid=76963 ] Later, I went overboard and wrote the message I've regretted the most; I've still felt bad about the bullshit I wrote on TheGreenHerring's [[User talk:TheGreenHerring#Another Q-case|talk page]].  Probably I should have left an application back then as I'm doing now but thought that the message didn't really improve my chances and let the matter be.
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Afterwards, I attempted to keep the [http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Special:OldReviewedPages page of outdated reviewed pages] as clean as possible. As I couldn't do anything for the changes on quality pages and saw that they would not vanish from the page, I became anxious and started to write these request messages to the users who could review the pages. [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AQuasar&action=historysubmit&diff=79519&oldid=76963 ] Later, I went overboard and wrote the message I've regretted the most; I've still felt bad about the bullshit I wrote on TheGreenHerring's [[User talk:TheGreenHerring#Another Q-case|talk page]].  Probably I should have left an application back then as I'm doing now but thought that the message didn't really improve my chances and let the matter be.
  
By accident, I then found this message by Ryan W. [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Doom_Wiki:Central_Processing&diff=prev&oldid=72963  ] (see the very last paragraph) I learned that keeping an article in its draft form is, if not desirable, intended; a reader can check the draft and believe the information there at own risk. Back then, I was active at the Finnish Wikipedia that also uses FlaggedRevs. The policy there seemed to be that if the draft isn't approvable, the whole edit will be undone and the draft will become cleared (basically, the same as PolicyNonsense suggested). This difference had distracted me, but it definitely isn't an excuse. I should have read the discussion and help pages here more properly. If I had done so, I would have informed PolicyNonsense correctly and all my complaints would have been skipped. I'm sorry about what happened. Since then, I've let the [https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Special:OldReviewedPages page of outdated reviewed pages] have draft pages, although I've tried to get it shortened when I can.
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By accident, I then found this message by Ryan W. [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Doom_Wiki:Central_Processing&diff=prev&oldid=72963  ] (see the very last paragraph) I learned that keeping an article in its draft form is, if not desirable, intended; a reader can check the draft and believe the information there at own risk. Back then, I was active at the Finnish Wikipedia that also uses FlaggedRevs. The policy there seemed to be that if the draft isn't approvable, the whole edit will be undone and the draft will become cleared (basically, the same as PolicyNonsense suggested). This difference had distracted me, but it definitely isn't an excuse. I should have read the discussion and help pages here more properly. If I had done so, I would have informed PolicyNonsense correctly and all my complaints would have been skipped. I'm sorry about what happened. Since then, I've let the [http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Special:OldReviewedPages page of outdated reviewed pages] have draft pages, although I've tried to get it shortened when I can.
  
 
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Although I relaxed, I still needed to write requests to Administrators to get my ''own'' changes published on quality pages. [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGez&action=historysubmit&diff=83348&oldid=82964 ], [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheGreenHerring&action=historysubmit&diff=85356&oldid=85132 ], [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARyan_W&action=historysubmit&diff=86181&oldid=85126 ] If there's something in my post on TGH's wall I stand behind, it is that I wouldn't like to bother admins if I didn't have to. Maybe I took Gez's words about "bugging" Administrators too seriously, but I acknowledged them, and thus tried not to stress a single admin too much with these requests. This is one of the important reasons I would like to receive Reviewer status: not to bother with things I could do myself.
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Although I relaxed, I still needed to write requests to Administrators to get my ''own'' changes published on quality pages. [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGez&action=historysubmit&diff=83348&oldid=82964 ], [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheGreenHerring&action=historysubmit&diff=85356&oldid=85132 ], [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARyan_W&action=historysubmit&diff=86181&oldid=85126 ] If there's something in my post on TGH's wall I stand behind, it is that I wouldn't like to bother admins if I didn't have to. Maybe I took Gez's words about "bugging" Administrators too seriously, but I acknowledged them, and thus tried not to stress a single admin too much with these requests. This is one of the important reasons I would like to receive Reviewer status: not to bother with things I could do myself.
  
 
Another thing are my productions values. I take care of them, whether it was about reviewing present content or writing new. For instance, when it comes to these six [[Doom II#Levels|level pages of Doom II]], 01, 02, 05, 08, 23 and 29, I didn't review them until the pages followed the map skel template, Compet-N records were updated and the content was checked thoroughly. Maybe the pursuit of such quality is exaggerating but I want to do a good job with page reviewing.
 
Another thing are my productions values. I take care of them, whether it was about reviewing present content or writing new. For instance, when it comes to these six [[Doom II#Levels|level pages of Doom II]], 01, 02, 05, 08, 23 and 29, I didn't review them until the pages followed the map skel template, Compet-N records were updated and the content was checked thoroughly. Maybe the pursuit of such quality is exaggerating but I want to do a good job with page reviewing.
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When it comes to trustworthiness, there's someone else who might help you to answer the question. Alongside The Doom Wiki, I'm a database editor at fx's [http://compet-n.gamers.org/index.php?page=compet-n_news Compet-N] site and have made a lot of accurate work there (checked that the information of over 1,000 files is correct and fixed if something is wrong). Please contact fx (Zvonimir Bužanić) if you wish, and I'm quite certain that you won't hear anything negative about me from him.
 
When it comes to trustworthiness, there's someone else who might help you to answer the question. Alongside The Doom Wiki, I'm a database editor at fx's [http://compet-n.gamers.org/index.php?page=compet-n_news Compet-N] site and have made a lot of accurate work there (checked that the information of over 1,000 files is correct and fixed if something is wrong). Please contact fx (Zvonimir Bužanić) if you wish, and I'm quite certain that you won't hear anything negative about me from him.
  
Here's the complete logs of my reviews for anyone to check: [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:QualityOversight&limit=500&namespace=0&level=-1&user=Jartapran&status=2&automatic=0&type=review&month=&year=], [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:QualityOversight&limit=500&namespace=0&level=-1&user=Jartapran&status=1&automatic=0&type=review&month=&year= ]
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Here's the complete logs of my reviews for anyone to check: [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:QualityOversight&limit=500&namespace=0&level=-1&user=Jartapran&status=2&automatic=0&type=review&month=&year=], [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:QualityOversight&limit=500&namespace=0&level=-1&user=Jartapran&status=1&automatic=0&type=review&month=&year= ]
 
In my opinion, I've been active enough as Editor.
 
In my opinion, I've been active enough as Editor.
  
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*MAP12: The Temple of the Oracle is alone in the west.  
 
*MAP12: The Temple of the Oracle is alone in the west.  
 
*The "Loremaster and Entity" section is good to be regarded as a whole since it consists of levels that are visited near the end of ''both'' branches.
 
*The "Loremaster and Entity" section is good to be regarded as a whole since it consists of levels that are visited near the end of ''both'' branches.
*The two unofficial secret levels have been isolated from the rest in the fashion of [https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Template:Doom_II_31-32 Doom II navboxes], although both levels are located in Tarnhill.
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*The two unofficial secret levels have been isolated from the rest in the fashion of [http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Template:Doom_II_31-32 Doom II navboxes], although both levels are located in Tarnhill.
  
 
My two cents were there, but I would like to have opinions or completely new suggestions from you. I don't currently have time to start creating Strife map articles, but simply thought that if someone wishes to begin working on them, there's one object less in the process if the navboxes have been made already. --[[User:Jartapran|Jartapran]] 15:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 
My two cents were there, but I would like to have opinions or completely new suggestions from you. I don't currently have time to start creating Strife map articles, but simply thought that if someone wishes to begin working on them, there's one object less in the process if the navboxes have been made already. --[[User:Jartapran|Jartapran]] 15:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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==Pending changes==
 
==Pending changes==
I ask that the edits on [[arachnotron]] [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Arachnotron&action=historysubmit&diff=88941&oldid=88152] and [[Guardian of Hell]] [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Guardian_of_Hell&action=historysubmit&diff=88988&oldid=87839] would be reviewed by someone else. I couldn't find online material to support the BFG addition, and I don't understand Doom's source code. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Jartapran|Jartapran]] 07:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
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I ask that the edits on [[arachnotron]] [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Arachnotron&action=historysubmit&diff=88941&oldid=88152] and [[Guardian of Hell]] [http://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Guardian_of_Hell&action=historysubmit&diff=88988&oldid=87839] would be reviewed by someone else. I couldn't find online material to support the BFG addition, and I don't understand Doom's source code. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Jartapran|Jartapran]] 07:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 
:Maybe [[Talk:Arachnotron#Rate of fire|this]] helps. --[[User:Unmaker|Unmaker]] 00:04, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 
:Maybe [[Talk:Arachnotron#Rate of fire|this]] helps. --[[User:Unmaker|Unmaker]] 00:04, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
  
 
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