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== "Waggle" ==
 
== "Waggle" ==
  
Is this right? What about http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Wall_wiggle_bug ? --[[User:Linguica|Linguica]] ([[User talk:Linguica|talk]]) 16:38, 22 June 2015 (CDT)
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Is this right? What about https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Wall_wiggle_bug ? --[[User:Linguica|Linguica]] ([[User talk:Linguica|talk]]) 16:38, 22 June 2015 (CDT)
 
: I've heard all of those before, as well as "waggle". Looks like I need to add that to both articles. [[User:ConSiGno|ConSiGno]] ([[User talk:ConSiGno|talk]]) 17:48, 22 June 2015 (CDT)
 
: I've heard all of those before, as well as "waggle". Looks like I need to add that to both articles. [[User:ConSiGno|ConSiGno]] ([[User talk:ConSiGno|talk]]) 17:48, 22 June 2015 (CDT)
 
:: Oh derp, Waggle is floors, Wiggle is walls. Will fix. [[User:ConSiGno|ConSiGno]] ([[User talk:ConSiGno|talk]]) 17:49, 22 June 2015 (CDT)
 
:: Oh derp, Waggle is floors, Wiggle is walls. Will fix. [[User:ConSiGno|ConSiGno]] ([[User talk:ConSiGno|talk]]) 17:49, 22 June 2015 (CDT)
  
 
==Pain elemental common nickname "meatball"==
 
==Pain elemental common nickname "meatball"==
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This has been considered contentious a couple of times now, so here are a few good sources just to start:
 
* [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.doom/GBVgpP46ZDg/2u02fJSuWGcJ Usenet post] from 1996
 
* [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.doom/GBVgpP46ZDg/2u02fJSuWGcJ Usenet post] from 1996
This has been considered contentious a couple of times now, so here are a few good sources just to start:
 
 
* [https://www.doomworld.com/search/?q=meatball Doomworld search]
 
* [https://www.doomworld.com/search/?q=meatball Doomworld search]
 
* [https://onemandoom.blogspot.com/2016/06/rf-1024-rf1024wad.html Blog post] - "I guess you also see the first pain elemental, but the meatball is a joke when the marine's arsenal has been so upgraded."
 
* [https://onemandoom.blogspot.com/2016/06/rf-1024-rf1024wad.html Blog post] - "I guess you also see the first pain elemental, but the meatball is a joke when the marine's arsenal has been so upgraded."
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* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bZGt7rghd8 YouTube video] entitled "Useless meatball" showing PEs that cannot spawn any souls.
 
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bZGt7rghd8 YouTube video] entitled "Useless meatball" showing PEs that cannot spawn any souls.
 
--[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 23:23, 22 September 2018 (CDT)
 
--[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 23:23, 22 September 2018 (CDT)
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: Go for it. [[User:Fraggle|Fraggle]] ([[User talk:Fraggle|talk]])
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== Here comes flame boi ==
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Does [[Arch-Vile|Flame Boi]] (blame the Text to Doom mod released last May) see considerable use within the community, or is it too recent to add here? I've recall people using it when Doom Eternal was announced last E3...
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[[Special:Contributions/180.191.154.169|180.191.154.169]] 10:45, 8 January 2019 (CST)
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: Not sure. It is definitely common on social media. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 13:03, 8 January 2019 (CST)
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==Sources for abbreviations==
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Some of these just added are quite common but others I have never heard in use. Is there some source for this? This page is emphatically only for things that are established community consensus. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 10:55, 30 December 2021 (CST)
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For clarity, these are the ones in particular that I have never seen in use, let alone wide use. AP is certainly an abbreviation used in some games, such as RPGs, but I've never seen it applied to Doom. The rest seem made up whole-cloth and wouldn't ever be clear without being explained.
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* <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">'''AP''' - Armor points</span>
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* <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">'''BA''' - Blue Armor</span>
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* <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">'''GA''' - Green Armor</span>
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* <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">'''MS''' - Megasphere</span>
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* <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">'''PG''' - Plasma gun</span>
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* '''PI''' - Partial invisibility
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* '''RS''' - Radiation shielding suit
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* <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">'''SS''' - Soulsphere</span>
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--[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 14:07, 31 December 2021 (CST)
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: AlexMax says BA/GA do have use in multiplayer parlance but has not heard of the others. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 14:12, 31 December 2021 (CST)
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:: Having lurked around Doomworld and the ZDoom forums for a number of years, I do not recall seeing those abbreviations either. Maybe we're just hanging around the wrong crowds. [[User:Gauss|Gauss]] ([[User talk:Gauss|talk]]) 16:35, 31 December 2021 (CST)
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: Marked off "PG" as according to dew this is used in the multiplayer community as well. Marked off "AP", "MS", and "SS" as according to Mikolah, these are used in the Russian community - however as this is centered on English usage, this needs to be mentioned in the article if they're going to remain included. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 04:43, 1 January 2022 (CST)
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==Port names==
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While external users are indeed likely to encounter these and wonder what they are, I feel like they're not necessarily jargon, and that they open a slippery slope of listing every kind of port and mod here which is not the goal of this article at all. We already have list articles for those. Input? --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 11:28, 16 January 2022 (CST)
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:I don't consider port names to be jargon either. ''Common abbreviations'' of port names probably fit, but describing the actual names of ports as jargon doesn't seem right. [[User:Joe-ilya|Joe-ilya]], would you like to expand on your reasoning, please? [[User:Gauss|Gauss]] ([[User talk:Gauss|talk]]) 11:33, 16 January 2022 (CST)
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:Seconded. --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 12:23, 16 January 2022 (CST)

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Title suggestion[edit]

Suggest "Doom community jargon" as a much simpler, more searchable title. --Quasar (talk) 14:50, 18 June 2015 (CDT)

That works for me. ConSiGno (talk) 15:11, 18 June 2015 (CDT)
We can just move it to that title then when you're done with sandbox work ;) --Quasar (talk) 15:14, 18 June 2015 (CDT)

"Waggle"[edit]

Is this right? What about https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Wall_wiggle_bug ? --Linguica (talk) 16:38, 22 June 2015 (CDT)

I've heard all of those before, as well as "waggle". Looks like I need to add that to both articles. ConSiGno (talk) 17:48, 22 June 2015 (CDT)
Oh derp, Waggle is floors, Wiggle is walls. Will fix. ConSiGno (talk) 17:49, 22 June 2015 (CDT)

Pain elemental common nickname "meatball"[edit]

This has been considered contentious a couple of times now, so here are a few good sources just to start:

  • Usenet post from 1996
  • Doomworld search
  • Blog post - "I guess you also see the first pain elemental, but the meatball is a joke when the marine's arsenal has been so upgraded."
  • Someone on Facebook's idea for a food: "My favorite idea so far is basically a spicy meatball filled w/ a Carolina Reaper based sauce/chutney. I've dubbed it the pain elemental."
  • Blog post - "Pain Elemental: Affectionately referred to as "meatballs" in our little circle, the Pain Elemental is a great monster in that it's extremely annoying but admittedly effective."
  • YouTube video entitled "Useless meatball" showing PEs that cannot spawn any souls.

--Quasar (talk) 23:23, 22 September 2018 (CDT)

Go for it. Fraggle (talk)

Here comes flame boi[edit]

Does Flame Boi (blame the Text to Doom mod released last May) see considerable use within the community, or is it too recent to add here? I've recall people using it when Doom Eternal was announced last E3... 180.191.154.169 10:45, 8 January 2019 (CST)

Not sure. It is definitely common on social media. --Quasar (talk) 13:03, 8 January 2019 (CST)

Sources for abbreviations[edit]

Some of these just added are quite common but others I have never heard in use. Is there some source for this? This page is emphatically only for things that are established community consensus. --Quasar (talk) 10:55, 30 December 2021 (CST)

For clarity, these are the ones in particular that I have never seen in use, let alone wide use. AP is certainly an abbreviation used in some games, such as RPGs, but I've never seen it applied to Doom. The rest seem made up whole-cloth and wouldn't ever be clear without being explained.

  • AP - Armor points
  • BA - Blue Armor
  • GA - Green Armor
  • MS - Megasphere
  • PG - Plasma gun
  • PI - Partial invisibility
  • RS - Radiation shielding suit
  • SS - Soulsphere

--Quasar (talk) 14:07, 31 December 2021 (CST)

AlexMax says BA/GA do have use in multiplayer parlance but has not heard of the others. --Quasar (talk) 14:12, 31 December 2021 (CST)
Having lurked around Doomworld and the ZDoom forums for a number of years, I do not recall seeing those abbreviations either. Maybe we're just hanging around the wrong crowds. Gauss (talk) 16:35, 31 December 2021 (CST)
Marked off "PG" as according to dew this is used in the multiplayer community as well. Marked off "AP", "MS", and "SS" as according to Mikolah, these are used in the Russian community - however as this is centered on English usage, this needs to be mentioned in the article if they're going to remain included. --Quasar (talk) 04:43, 1 January 2022 (CST)

Port names[edit]

While external users are indeed likely to encounter these and wonder what they are, I feel like they're not necessarily jargon, and that they open a slippery slope of listing every kind of port and mod here which is not the goal of this article at all. We already have list articles for those. Input? --Quasar (talk) 11:28, 16 January 2022 (CST)

I don't consider port names to be jargon either. Common abbreviations of port names probably fit, but describing the actual names of ports as jargon doesn't seem right. Joe-ilya, would you like to expand on your reasoning, please? Gauss (talk) 11:33, 16 January 2022 (CST)
Seconded. --Xymph (talk) 12:23, 16 January 2022 (CST)