Talk:E6M2 (Heretic)

I'm confused. Who came up with the names for these maps, where can I find a citation to these "fan-made" names, and how are these maps deathmatch-only when there are monsters and an exit? Surely a deathmatch-only map should be mostly unplayable in non-deathmatch modes, correct? -Wagi 69.51.157.227 18:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Good questions. If they are playable there is no need to conclude they are for DM. No idea where the names came from... unless someone can come up with a good explanation we might as well move them to E6M1 (Heretic), E6M2 (Heretic), and E6M3 (Heretic). Who is like God? 19:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure where the names came from as I just duplicated the names from the list of levels on the main Heretic page as well as the reference that the names were fanmade. There certainly is no way to get to these levels other than through a warp cheat and there is no exit to the last level. The DoomViewer map viewer I'm using shows the level title as simply "Deathmatch Level". I'm not sure if it's pulling that name from the WAD or just filling that name in. Here's a reference to the names of E6M2 and E6M3 in a Heretic FAQ as well as who named them. Note it names E6M1 simply "Offices". According to this interview, E6M1 is loosely based on the Raven Software offices and so the coining of the name "Raven's Lair". I also find references on the web to E6M2 being called "Ruined Temple" presumably based on a comment in that interview. That FAQ also references that these were intended to deathmatch levels and then later sorta contradicts itself by saying that Raven intended to create more episodes. (Implying that this might be an unfinished episode) Hwlester 00:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

With that in mind, I'd leave them nameless (as E6M1 (Heretic), &c), say that the game does not provide names, and add this name "Raven's Lair" to the description. It's more relevant because one of the Raven guys mentioned it, but it's not "official" because it's not in the game itself. It doesn't say whether Sailor Scout (a fan community map author) had any concrete sources, either (were this clear it would have been made explicit since it could have validated them in some way). I'd put the name by the Raven guy on the intro of the article ("called Raven's Lair by Michael Raymond-Judy") and the FAQ names as "trivia" lower down. Who is like God? 01:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)