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== Older discussions ==
 
== Older discussions ==
* [[User talk:Quasar/Archive]] - 2005-2013
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* [[/Archive]] - 2005-2013
* [[User talk:Quasar/Archive 2]] - 2014-2015
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* [[/Archive 2]] - 2014-2015
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* [[/Archive 3]] - 2016-2019
  
== References ==
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== cybernetic ==
  
Is there a standard way to write author names in references? It seems "Lastname, Firstname" is more common, but I've seen "Firstname Lastname" too. See [[Timeline#References]] where I reformatted a few before asking, and [[Idgames_archive#References]] which made me ask as yet. And what if there are two authors? Perhaps this can be described in a help page or the FAQ. --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 12:44, 30 January 2016 (CST)
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thank you {{unsigned|Nitin Das}}
  
: We've been slowly standardizing on "Last, First". As with pretty much everything, it's a perpetual work in progress and occasionally gets reverted by accident ;) For multiple authors, the MLA guidelines apply, which are to list them in the order they are listed on the work with "Last, First, First Last, ... and First Last". Some examples:
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== Doom 64 maps page layout ==
:: Hugh, Dafydd ab and Brad Linaweaver
 
:: Rhinewald, Shane and Kim Della Porta
 
:: Mendoza, Jonathan, Christen David Klie, and Robert Kiana Carter
 
:I don't believe this has been enshrined in the FAQ or guidelines yet beyond the vague wording that citations should follow an established format such as MLA or APA when practical.
 
: --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 12:57, 30 January 2016 (CST)
 
  
: PS I took the opportunity to finally make all the refs on the timeline consistent. Been on my TODO list for ages :D --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 13:38, 30 January 2016 (CST)
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I just realized that for some reason the layout of pages about Doom 64 maps are different than what other map pages use. Shall I change it to match it more like the others? --[[User:ZeroTheEro|ZeroTheEro]] ([[User talk:ZeroTheEro|talk]]) 06:27, 2 April 2020 (CDT)
  
:: Thanks for the explanation, and for fixing Timeline before I had a chance to revert my changes. ;) --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 13:43, 30 January 2016 (CST)
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: Wouldn't hurt. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 07:37, 2 April 2020 (CDT)
  
== Pending edits ==
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: Alrighty. --[[User:ZeroTheEro|ZeroTheEro]] ([[User talk:ZeroTheEro|talk]]) 08:03, 2 April 2020 (CDT)
  
I came across a few pages [[Brutal Doom|with]] [[Linux Doom|pending]] [[Text Mode Doom|edits]] from several days ago. The Recent Changes page (when expanded back to mid-January) also shows at least half a dozen unchecked pages. Is that intentional or did these fall through the reviewing cracks? --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 03:16, 1 February 2016 (CST)
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== Press articles about Doom ==
  
: Unchecked pages are ones that no one has felt confident to review yet. Pending ones may have slipped through, or, we were waiting for somebody who might be able to verify them and such a person has never showed up. Marking a revision as "approved" is basically our stamp that we think it has at least a modicum of accuracy and completeness, and adheres to most if not all editing guidelines. Sometimes it's a matter of not having had enough time to get around to them also. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 09:31, 1 February 2016 (CST)
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Hey, can I split reviews into multiple tables, one for each version/different game? --[[User:Buzzbomber82|Buzzbomber82]] ([[User talk:Buzzbomber82|talk]]) 02:54, 3 April 2020 (CDT)
  
==Hell==
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: Sounds like a good idea to me. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 04:26, 3 April 2020 (CDT)
You sent a message saying that Hell is a place name and therefore should be capitalized but on the article of the Baron of Hell, Hell is not capitalized? {{unsigned|SuperShotgunPenguin}}
 
  
: That was a unilateral decision made back in 2008 by an admin who is no longer a contributor to the site; nobody ever got around to reversing it. See [[Baron of Hell (Doom 2016)]] for a more recent example. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 12:26, 12 April 2016 (CDT)
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== Quasar ==
  
Why hasn't it been moved yet? How would one go around moving it? --[[User:SuperShotgunPenguin|SuperShotgunPenguin]] ([[User talk:SuperShotgunPenguin|talk]]) 10:10, 13 April 2016 (CDT)
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Quasar [[User:Grain of Salt|Grain of Salt]] ([[User talk:Grain of Salt|talk]]) 10:36, 13 May 2020 (CDT)
  
: I opened a discussion on [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing]] with that goal. We try to establish consensus before doing these sorts of major changes. However nobody has replied to it so far. Sometimes the operational status quo here is glacial in pace. Believe me, I get frustrated with it as much as anybody. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 10:28, 13 April 2016 (CDT)
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: Moo. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 11:43, 13 May 2020 (CDT)
  
: There is also a technical reason: [[Help:Page validation|FlaggedRevs]] prevents moves after a page has been approved.  (Here it doesn't matter, I suppose, because retitling a core article would have incited discussion anyway.)    [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ([[User talk:Ryan W|talk]]) 18:40, 13 April 2016 (CDT)
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== id Anthology info ==
  
== Shovelware covers ==
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Hello, I have recently gained information about the [[id Anthology]] I would like to add. I reached out to John Romero to verify the number of units created, and he confirmed the number of 10,000 was correct. How can I properly cite this, as it was in a direct email correspondence? If you have an email address I can forward it to you. --[[Special:Contributions/73.122.219.81|73.122.219.81]] 12:21, 31 July 2020 (CDT)
  
Feel free to use [https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1051035 this picture] if you think it'd fit (the pics already uploaded are smaller in resolution, but I don't know whether it's because they had that size on the source or because they were downsized before upload). That was a scan I made myself because the photo I first made with a potato had awful glare. --[[User:Gez|Gez]] ([[User talk:Gez|talk]]) 15:55, 5 May 2016 (CDT)
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: If you'd like to forward it, as I'm interested in having it for historical purposes, you can send it to haleyjd AT hotmail dot com (using the @ and . as normal). In the meantime it's OK to add it to the article anyways - sometimes we run into things like this that can't be directly cited but are known to come from reliable sources. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 00:25, 2 August 2020 (CDT)
  
: Sure. I've been focusing on the 110 relevant images from addoncollector.spielepedia.de which has recently disappeared off the net to get started, but it's possible that better images of some of the ones it had exist, and I also neglected to check the Internet Archive's collection which has a few too. We can hit those afterward I guess. I'm still only a bit more than half way through the AOC images x_x --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 20:36, 5 May 2016 (CDT)
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== Weapon categories ==
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Sorty, but for what exact reason you are adding the "double-barreled shotguns" category is the is no other double-barreled shotguns besides the Super Shotguns which have their own disambiguation part in their own pages? {{unsignedIP|77.51.168.64}}
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: See [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing#New category suggestion|New category suggestion]]. --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 07:14, 3 September 2020 (CDT)
  
== Wanted to let you know you can use content from our wiki ==
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== Doom RPG ==
  
We at [https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Main_Page All The Tropes] have the same license you guys do, so if you want to use content from us (TV Tropes has a license that is incompatible with yours), please, feel free, we have the same attribution requirements. In fact [https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Doom_%282016%29 just made a page on the latest Doom using content from here] with [https://allthetropes.org/w/index.php?title=Doom_%282016%29&action=history the origin of the content used from here attributed in the page history]. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 18:31, 14 May 2016 (CDT)
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I was reading your recent updates to [[Doom RPG]] article and began to wonder, if you have a copy of High-end BREW version of this game by chance? --[[User:Yetanotherhope|Yetanotherhope]]
  
: Thanks for the heads up :) --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 19:03, 14 May 2016 (CDT)
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: I have a friend who does. He's currently working on extracting the data from it. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 15:36, 24 January 2021 (CST)
  
==Content question==
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:: Perhaps, a friend of yours is currently working on [https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117360-doom-rpg-reverse-engineering-project/ Doom RPG reverse engineering project]? --[[User:Yetanotherhope|Yetanotherhope]] 02:01, 25 January 2021 (CST)
Hi Quasar:
 
  
Would like to help updating contents specific to the latest DOOM game (2016).
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::: Yep 😊 --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 00:02, 26 January 2021 (CST)
  
Will there be copyright issues if contents are copied directly from the in-game Codex? {{unsigned|‎VyRianS}}
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:::: Cool! Can't wait to see what secrets this version of game is holding. 😊 --[[User:Yetanotherhope|Yetanotherhope]] 03:12, 27 January 2021 (CST)
  
: Limited quotations and excerpts, with proper attribution, are OK, but copy-pasting entire codex entries doesn't fall under {{wp|fair use}}. There are a couple already on the wiki but these need to be rewritten in our own words ASAP. I would encourage you to work as much content as possible into articles as paraphrased prose rather than dumping in material wholesale, as there is no uniqueness and, people can already read that material in-game anyway. We seek to offer commentary and exposition on the material here rather than repeat it exactly. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 01:50, 23 May 2016 (CDT)
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== Looking to have revisions checked ==
  
Thanks for the reply, will paraphrase.
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Hello. I'm new here. I'm not really a Doom person but I've gone out of my way almost two weeks ago to update the [[WebTV Plus]] page (which IMO, is a bit inaccurate of a name) concerning info on the elusive WebTV port of Doom and the frankly shoddy preservation efforts by the people in WebTV's hacking scene that followed 23 years after it was discovered to spread awareness about how endangered the original port is, along with just WebTV information in general. I've waited a week now but my changes are still pending. Since you've contributed to the page prior I figured you might be a little more interested in checking out the changes and hopefully giving them the greenlight. Thanks in advance.
  
I've read the policies on capitalization for the site and I don't really agree with them, for example the link under monsters/enemies:
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By the way, wonder what's up with the email system here. Has it stopped working recently or is it just me as I can't even get a confirmation email sent to my inbox. [[User:WTV-411|WTV-411]] ([[User talk:WTV-411|talk]]) 06:59, 7 June 2021 (CDT)
"Hell knight" honestly looks like it could be improved by capitalizing the first letter of the second word.
 
Same goes for "Quad damage".
 
  
I've looked online for capitalization standards but am unable to find a reputable one.
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: This is now done. I had concerns about the removal of some of the previous source links, which I have restored w/archived links as the sites have gone down since I wrote the original article. I also removed a mega.nz link as we cannot link to any kind of unauthorized files obtained through hacking or reverse engineering of commercial products here. The other changes were more minor picky stuff for flow and grammar.
  
I'd like to know if this can be changed? For aesthetic purposes.
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: You may not receive email at all if you are using a Google service, as they block our server for not implementing a Google-specific form of anti-spam response which the software on our server doesn't support. We've also had off-and-on problems with Microsoft blocking us, though I have recently been receiving things at my hotmail address. If you're using a different service, let me know. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 23:52, 7 June 2021 (CDT)
  
: You would have to bring that up on [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing]], but I'm pretty certain that it won't achieve consensus, as we spent the last ~7 years slowly converting to a literary convention where only proper nouns are capitalized, so that this site is more like an encyclopedic work than a game's instruction booklet. Games frequently follow an Every Word Capped for Nouns convention; even the original Doom instruction manual did this, which is why, back in 2005, this site started out doing the same. But then we realized that when you're reading an article and you run into this:
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:: I'm fine with the MEGA link being removed if it's against the rules. Appears I didn't read too much into that. 😅 Also the only source link I really had actual issue with before my changes was the random link to a WebTV hacker's site that was thrown in as tacky advertising, which judging from the IP of the editor (since it's close to an IP of a home server a WebTV hacker manages) is possibly the owner of said site. That's just me though. Anyway, I'm still liking the end result and maybe this'll encourage some people lurking in the shadows to at least make more commotion about the abysmal state of WebTV-related preservation. I can only dream though.
  
:: The [[Super Shotgun]] is a stronger form of the [[Shotgun]] distinguished by having two barrels. It uses the same [[Ammo]] and is good to use against [[Zombiemen]].
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:: Also had a feeling it had to do with Gmail not liking the mail servers (which is the email I used for this site). Guess I'll just use Protonmail or something. --[[User:WTV-411|WTV-411]] ([[User talk:WTV-411|talk]]) 08:07, 8 June 2021 (CDT)
  
: That it is not only grammatically incorrect in English, but it is also harder on the eyes than the appropriate:
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== Brief, incoherent FlaggedRevs followup ==
  
:: The [[super shotgun]] is a stronger form of the [[shotgun]] distinguished by having two barrels. It uses the same [[ammo]] and is good to use against [[zombiemen]].
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In light of [[User talk:Quasar/Archive 3#LocalSettings.php|previous conversation]], I should note the extension is beginning therapy [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277883] with a developer who knows what they're doing.  Of course a product manager could reshuffle priorities tomorrow, but if this code ever reaches production, it will be backward-compatible (to prevent German Wikipedia from forking) so we won't be starting from scratch.
  
: It is particularly illustrative if, we dispense for a moment with the game-specific nature of the text and imagine instead writing this, on a site like Wikipedia:
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I was never attached to the tier system although other contributors clearly like it, and I might even post a rant to represent the overall self-hosting POV (to which you need not respond  :>
  
:: One will find that many Zoos have Lions, Tigers, and Bears. When fed, these Animals are often tossed a Chunk of Raw Meat.
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Tangent: the shell team likely has bigger fish to fry during the upgrade process itself, e.g. irreversible metadata migration [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198557].  FWIW / KUTGW.  [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 01:01, 8 June 2021 (CDT)
  
: Only in languages like German is capitalization of all nouns considered proper grammar. Hope this helps with why we made the change-over. Note a lot of articles on this site still haven't been converted, like most of the [[Heretic]] and [[Hexen]] articles, and this is just from A. lack of time and B. reduced interest in those games as compared to Doom here. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 09:35, 24 May 2016 (CDT)
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: Thanks for the heads-up ^_^ --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 08:25, 8 June 2021 (CDT)
  
Quasar, a final question:
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== 100,000 Levels Title header upload problem ==
  
If a screenshot of ingame material is taken, which license do I file the image under?
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I'm currently having problems uploading my image of 100,000 Levels onto this wiki despite the file size not going above 2.44 MBs.  The resolution is 1920x1080 and wondering what the problem could be? [[User:Justice Infinity|Justice ∞]] ([[User talk:Justice Infinity|talk]]) 01:15, 29 August 2021 (CDT)
  
I'm thinking of adding images for the weapons section.
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: If there's somewhere else you can toss it (such as an image hosting site for example) I could try it here. Otherwise it's difficult for me to debug. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 19:04, 29 August 2021 (CDT)
  
: For Doom 2016 material, you'll need to avoid the license picker drop box and instead enter the following text into the image description box, after any description for the file itself:
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::Here you go https://imgur.com/gallery/1mY1QW3.  I had to downsize my image to a lower resolution in order for me to be able to upload on here.  Everytime I tried uploading the image, it would fail and refresh back to the upload page. [[User:Justice Infinity|Justice ∞]] ([[User talk:Justice Infinity|talk]]) 00:40, 31 August 2021 (CDT)
  
<div class="dw-div-dl">
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== Requesting a minor username change, please ==
<code><nowiki>==Licensing==</nowiki></code><br/>
 
<code><nowiki>{{Screenshot-doom|Doom (2016) screenshots}}</nowiki></code>
 
</div>
 
  
: --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 11:26, 24 May 2016 (CDT)
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I would like to request a username change. The new username, featuring the desired capitalisation and split into two words, should be:
  
Hi Quasar: Is there a naming convention for images? So far I've placed the sigils for Rune Trials under RuneTrials_<Sigil>.png. Do we have to add an identifier for Doom 2016 to avoid possible conflict with earlier uploads?
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{{c|Rata asquerosa}}
  
: If a conflict happens when trying to upload a new image, the wiki software will prevent the upload (you have to go through a special "upload new version" method to actually overwrite an image). In general it's not required, I've just been doing it so that the names are more descriptive (because for example Imp.jpg could be from anything, while Doom16Imp.jpg is very obvious). There are no set conventions other than to have a descriptive name (ie. not something like 20160527_0001.jpg) --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 09:17, 27 May 2016 (CDT)
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[[User:RataAsquerosa|RataAsquerosa]] ([[User talk:RataAsquerosa|talk]]) 10:02, 25 September 2021 (CDT)
  
:: OK, noted. I've just added a Supplies page. Help check if the tables look too confusing; I've tried my best to compress them to look as tidy as possible. --[[User:VyRianS|VyRianS]] ([[User talk:VyRianS|talk]]) 09:19, 27 May 2016 (CDT)
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== Edit notices ==
  
::: There's nothing wrong with the content per se, but I had planned on and have already extensively wikilinked to [[Armor (Doom 2016)]] and [[Health (Doom 2016)]] to cover information on these items in-depth. It is not our usual thing to lump together multiple different topics into a single article. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 09:34, 27 May 2016 (CDT)
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I saw your note on Taw Tulki's talk page about warnings being ignored and decided to bring my response here rather than clog their page up.
  
Hey Quasar: I've placed average damage values for enemy attacks. So an attack that does 22,23,22,23,22 ... is stated as "22.5". In fact most of the values seem to be fractional. Is it better to round each value up?
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I can think of two possible options:
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# Apply an {{wp|Wikipedia:Editnotice|edit notice}} to contentious pages that carries a similar warning as {{tl|ConsensusContentionMsg}}. Anyone trying to edit such pages would then see the notice at the top of the page - the problem is that if they ignore the big red box at the top of the article, they'll probably ignore the big red box on the edit page as well.
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# Apply semi-protection to the affected articles to stop any editing by new/unregistered users. I don't favour this option personally as Pending Changes/FlaggedRevs already requires edits from those groups of people to be reviewed before the average viewer actually sees them, and all this would do is discourage potential editors.
  
: I think it's good for now. We still seem to be learning stuff about damage formulas in this game; maybe eventually we'll be able to look at the scripting and find actual formulas and the such, who knows. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 09:16, 1 June 2016 (CDT)
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On the other hand, it doesn't matter what you do - some people will always find ways to not do what you tell them. [[User:Gauss|Gauss]] ([[User talk:Gauss|talk]]) 13:18, 9 November 2021 (CST)
  
== Good news, The Nexus Mods is archiving the Filefront archives ==
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: Unfortunately option 1 uses a "fmbox" template which is an #invoke, meaning it is implemented using Wikipedia's Scribunto plugin, which we don't support here because I think it's crazy to write web frontend code in Lua. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 17:49, 25 November 2021 (CST)
  
Nexus Mods is in the process of archiving and transferring all the files held by Filefront to their own servers, which will include all downloads they ever hosted, which means the Doom files there will be preserved at a new home. :) [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 17:29, 25 May 2016 (CDT)
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: You're forced to include the Lua piece regardless of the inner template used?&nbsp; That's rude.&nbsp; IIRC though, many templates worked just fine before [[mw:Lua scripting/status#2013-03-monthly|Scribunto rolled out]], including this one.&nbsp; We could try importing the historical snapshot if there's a clear use for it.
  
: Good to hear. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 21:27, 25 May 2016 (CDT)
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: FWIW, Gauss, it's supposed to be relatively easy to post a custom boxed message with the standardized templates Quasar implemented ([[User:Ryan W/TODO/Subcategorization|stupid example]]).&nbsp; However, for registered users, a talk page message is safer because MediaWiki has longstanding issues with templates/banners not displaying on mobile.&nbsp; (It affects Wikipedia much more often because of the huge amount of custom JS/CSS, but I remember hitting it here occasionally.)&nbsp; HTH.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 09:45, 18 December 2021 (CST)
  
== Warning, Monaco does not work well at all in MediaWiki 1.27 ==
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:: As far as Scribunto-backed templates go (aka Modules), you would be reimplementing everything in template markup, which means doing it from scratch. And unfortunately there have been a lot of renames and subsequent deletions on Wikipedia that have made it impossible to access the edit history of a lot of templates from before they installed Scribunto. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 19:18, 18 December 2021 (CST)
 
 
In the event you were planning on updating DoomWiki to 1.27, discovered Monaco has several PHP issues regarding certain classes in the skin and sidebar PHP files, effectively breaking it.
 
 
 
The conflicts appear to be related to how the classes in question use depreciated or removed methods in 1.27, but I'm not proficient enough to further look into the issue. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 05:04, 29 June 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
: I'll have to do my usual analysis and testing before I consider the upgrade; I already brought the git HEAD revision up to compatibility with 1.25, but obviously that's now out of date as well. We're getting woefully behind here because I am lacking support from the server owner currently. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 06:15, 29 June 2016 (CDT)
 
:: Good news then. If it will work for 1.25, it works fine on 1.26, so you aren't that far behind. My version is basically yours with some tweaks (excised most of the Wikia button look for stock skin compatibility for personal preference/just-in-case sanity checks, added the Vector button circular bullet points with square dots as fallback mode), so if want to, rip off anything I did as a base for any improvements. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 09:43, 29 June 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
== To-do list ==
 
 
 
It's been a long time since any progress was made on these topics; are they still on your to-do / to-answer list? Can you please attend to them?
 
# [[Doom Wiki:RFC/Maptabs template]], try "minor adjustment of 'dw-tabimg' padding to 0.4em".&nbsp; &nbsp;And "I presume that each skin has its own .css file (so far I saw only Common.css), so if the 'border-radius' property is moved out of class 'dw-tab' into the Monaco skin .css (and perhaps other skin(s) where rounded corners don't look out of place) but not the MonoBook skin; then the corners will remain rectangular in that skin."
 
# [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing#Navbox template font size?]], "the templates would have to be changed to use a CSS class. We'd then define that class to apply font-size: smaller in Common.css, while leaving it normal in Mobile.css - this allows the two to present differently depending on the view being used."
 
# [[Template_talk:Doom_II_1-11#Why is 11 in this one?]], "Given that both Final Doom IWADs use the same sky-based structure, shouldn't their map templates be adjusted the same way?"
 
--[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 16:09, 4 August 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
: Always, but promising any kind of time table right now is difficult due to all the obligations I have. Thanks for summing them up in one place though, so they're harder to forget about. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 16:35, 4 August 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
:: That was another goal indeed. One more:
 
:: * [[User talk:MtErebus#Map thumb captions|Updating map captions]] may be a job suitable for QueryBot. And similarly, replacing Things or Statistics sections for all stock maps once enough consensus has been reached in the [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing#Map thing statistics|main discussion]] that [[User:Xymph/DMMPST|DMMPST]] is ready for that. Can you assist with using QueryBot for these edit sweeps? Or where can I find information how to prepare this myself?
 
:: --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 05:01, 17 August 2016 (CDT)
 
::: It's possible, but it's a pretty major investment of development time. QueryBot itself is just an account; the logic that drives any action it takes is written for a custom JavaScript embedding I've created called vibconsole, which has a MediaWiki REST API library which I also wrote from scratch. It uses the login API to acquire the QueryBot account's credentials, and then performs whatever processing I've programmed it to do for that task; there's no form of AI or automation. In other words I need to be very careful when doing things like map article edits that whatever regular expressions or other pattern matching logic I write doesn't hit false positives. There is also a major roadblock that may apply to some articles in that MediaWiki requires a multi-part POST operation if the article size exceeds the standard POST limit. I've never had to deal with that case yet and haven't written any code for it, accordingly. The earlier task I did (recategorizing several hundred images) had no risk of running into that limit because image articles are so small. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 11:01, 17 August 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
:::: Thanks for the info. I previously wrote that I intend to replace/add to stock map articles using DMMPST output, but those alone (including Master Levels) already total around 290 pages, and then there are all the megawad series and other map pages. That number of manual updates is very tedious, something I'm not looking forward to at all, and so a development effort to perform this via your tools may still be worthwhile. Also, if ever a decision is made to alter the Statistics sections and DMMPST supports that, then re-running the edit scripts would allow to apply such changes rather painlessly.
 
:::: I'm not sure what the standard POST limit is here, but Statistics sections for big maps (and for Hexen with its five Things tables) can go up to 9+ KB, so that is most likely too much and multipart POSTing will indeed be needed. I do have a little experience with that though.
 
:::: Is your tooling able to do section edits like we do via the website? Then just replacing existing Statistics sections with newly generated content would bypass the need for complex regexs.
 
:::: In short, I would certainly like to investigate feasibility of this approach further, before dismissing it and diving into a very tiring and time-consuming manual process. Can we discuss this further outside the wiki, e.g. via email? --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 05:03, 19 August 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
::::: It turns out that the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Edit#Large_texts predicted 8KB limit] doesn't really exist. :) Last night I successfully tested section updates via regular x-www-form-urlencoded POSTs (the [https://github.com/hamstar/Wikimate Wikimate framework]) [[Special:Contributions/XymphBot|up to 32KB]]. I quit there as I don't really care to know what the real limit is. Just a little data point. --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 06:39, 5 October 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
:::::: Upon reading that again it seems like the multipart MIME just achieves a more efficient transfer for large data and is not a strict technical requirement, so this makes sense now. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 09:42, 5 October 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
::::::: Unindenting...
 
 
 
...due to time past. I'm pondering the feasibility of creating a [[User:XymphBot|bot script]] to create [[:Category:Navboxes for map articles|navboxes]] and to add them to new series of map pages. Additionally I could create a script to make the font sizes in existing boxes consistent. But then items 2 and 3 above need to be sorted out first. Can you please follow up on both? Here or on Central Processing? Thanks. --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 05:08, 24 November 2016 (CST)
 
 
 
: Hi Xymph.&nbsp; I put #3 on Central Processing because IMO we should at least try to get wider input &mdash; the [[Episode#Episodes in Doom II|community convention]], if it exists, is gainsaid by the number of contributors choosing MAP10 when creating templates.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] (''[[Special:PermaLink/113430|usually gone]]'') 14:53, 24 November 2016 (CST)
 
 
 
:: Items 2 and 3 have now been [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing#Navboxes wrap-up|wrapped up]], leaving only item 1 (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 15:31, 27 January 2017 (CST)
 
 
 
== Why a custom QueryBot? ==
 
 
 
Ryan W [[User talk:Xymph#Energy cell (Doom)|pointed to]] the {{wp|Wikipedia:Creating a bot#Programming languages and libraries|existing bots}} for MediaWiki. May I ask why you didn't apply (and perhaps slightly customize) one of those for QueryBot work, and instead choose to roll your own scripts which have limited accessibility due to the technical foundation (SpiderMonkey, Core) they require? Would our upcoming effort to replace Statistics sections be easier to accomplish via one of those existing bots, perhaps? --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 12:43, 11 September 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
: I just started out working with what I had on hand. If you'd like to try out pre-existing tools, I have no objections. Let's just make sure everything is thoroughly tested before setting it loose at large ;) --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 15:14, 11 September 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
== Re ==
 
 
 
I wasn't aware of that guideline for creatures. It was not my intention.
 
 
 
My bad, sorry.
 
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/191.255.8.22|191.255.8.22]] 16:48, 20 October 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
: Not a problem, thank you for responding. I appreciate your constructive edits so far, but obviously we have a couple of disagreements. If you can spell out reasoning for them on the respective articles' talk pages, which will allow anybody else who has an opinion on those issues to also weigh in, then we can establish some consensus and move forward w/o seeming to clash unnecessarily. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 16:53, 20 October 2016 (CDT)
 
 
 
== [[Template:Screenshot boilerplate]] ==
 
 
 
It occurred to me to eliminate the word "game" here (obviously not all screenshots depict games).&nbsp; I didn't do it yet because the template is used on thousands of pages, always through nesting &mdash; do you think there could be a server load issue?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] (''[[Special:PermaLink/113430|usually gone]]'') 13:15, 12 November 2016 (CST)
 
 
 
: We have other more specific templates for other types of screenshots, for which fair use justification sometimes needs different wording. I'm just not sure that it's necessary currently, but if you find that it is, I wouldn't worry about load until you start seeing the server throw HTTP 500 errors. It seems to be VERY conservative about updating stuff, as I'm having to use ?action=purge constantly when doing so. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 13:53, 12 November 2016 (CST)
 
 
 
:: You're right that there are few cases at the moment.&nbsp; E.g. [[:File:Idstuff 2.png|this]] and [[:File:Dwango lobby.png|this]], and maybe I'll upload a DeePsea screenshot since the entire community denies using it.&nbsp; :>&nbsp;&nbsp; Believe me, I'd put it off if it required research or a policy change, but it's merely fixing inaccurate wording (I hope).
 
 
 
:: That's good to know about the load, thanks.&nbsp; My understanding is that without purges, MediaWiki processes large updates over time, like 1 transclusion for every 3 subsequent edits (to any page).&nbsp; File info pages are obscure to most users, of course, so I doubt anyone would even notice before the upgrade force-refreshes everything &mdash; does it?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] (''[[Special:PermaLink/113430|usually gone]]'') 15:04, 12 November 2016 (CST)
 
 
 
 
 
== Saturn beta ==
 
 
 
Sorry for the late reply, I didn't realize I was messaged since I haven't logged in here. Check Doomworld PM.[[User:Betabox|Betabox]] ([[User talk:Betabox|talk]]) 17:22, 12 November 2016 (CST)
 
 
 
== monaco ==
 
Hi, how can i install monaco skin in my web?can you help me?--[[Special:Contributions/163.17.133.84|163.17.133.84]] 23:50, 30 October 2017 (CDT)
 
 
 
: You'll want to follow the instructions on the github page for it - https://github.com/haleyjd/monaco-port - if carried out exactly on a compatible version of MediaWiki, there shouldn't be any problems. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 15:50, 31 October 2017 (CDT)
 
*but my monaco view bug, can you help me?--[[Special:Contributions/163.17.133.84|163.17.133.84]] 19:28, 31 October 2017 (CDT)
 
*you can use my cpanel help me install monaco?--[[Special:Contributions/163.17.133.84|163.17.133.84]] 19:30, 31 October 2017 (CDT)
 
*my wiki is wikifamily.tk--[[Special:Contributions/163.17.133.84|163.17.133.84]] 19:37, 31 October 2017 (CDT)
 
*this is my bug site skin.[File:22861632 998984026961562 4315274328297672907 o.jpg]--[[User:Msnhinet8|Msnhinet8]] ([[User talk:Msnhinet8|talk]]) 21:27, 31 October 2017 (CDT)
 
 
 
::: If you have followed the EXACT instructions linked above, please submit your report [https://github.com/dantman/monaco-port/issues in the appropriate location] (click "new issue").&nbsp; No one on this project is a full-time MediaWiki or PHP developer, so if we are not experiencing the bug ourselves, the chance of anyone having time to research it is virtually zero.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 07:36, 1 November 2017 (CDT)
 
 
 
: The first problem I see is that you (or the framework you're using) are trying to load the skin using wfLoadSkin(); this is not supported as of yet. You must use standard php {{c|require_once}} in your LocalSettings.php file, as is clearly stated in the install file. If you're not able to directly access LocalSettings.php to make this change, then you will need help from whomever runs your server instance to do so. If that isn't possible, then it's not practical to install Monaco. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 07:57, 1 November 2017 (CDT)
 
*You have fb?--[[User:Msnhinet8|Msnhinet8]] ([[User talk:Msnhinet8|talk]]) 08:06, 1 November 2017 (CDT)
 
*I want to fb talk you monaco.--[[User:Msnhinet8|Msnhinet8]] ([[User talk:Msnhinet8|talk]]) 08:10, 1 November 2017 (CDT)
 
 
 
== ftp.idsoftware.com ==
 
 
 
Hi Quasar.&nbsp; Remaining URLs are [[Special:PermaLink/127329|here]], [[Special:PermaLink/90516|here]], and [[Special:PermaLink/50195|here]].&nbsp; (The second one isn't wikified, so the special page won't find it.)&nbsp; On IRC, I think we decided that broken links were acceptable in talk archives, but just for the record.&nbsp; :> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 18:15, 9 November 2017 (CST)
 
 
 
 
 
== I cannot receive the confirmation e-mail ==
 
 
 
No matter how much I try, for some reason I will not receive the confirmation e-mail needed to validate it just in case I forget my password someday. Could you check this? --[[User:Litrivin|Litrivin]] ([[User talk:Litrivin|talk]]) 12:32, 20 November 2017 (CDT)
 
 
 
: I'll see what I can do when I have backend access. Your email provider might have our host blacklisted for some reason. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 14:21, 20 November 2017 (CST)
 
 
 
I have changed my e-mail provider (from gmail to outlook). This issue still persists. --[[User:Litrivin|Litrivin]] ([[User talk:Litrivin|talk]]) 10:19, 27 April 2018 (CDT)
 
 
 
: I've been made aware of this problem by several people; it seems our email is entirely not working right now. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 14:03, 27 April 2018 (CDT)
 
 
 
One quick question, unrelated to the previous issue: Is there any chance of changing my username? --[[User:Litrivin|Litrivin]] ([[User talk:Litrivin|talk]]) 20:50, 5 May 2018 (CDT)
 
 
 
: Yes, it's possible to rename users. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 22:16, 5 May 2018 (CDT)
 
 
 
How do you add these signatures? By the way, the new name I want is «DoomeroHispalense» (without angled quotation marks, of course). And, could you mark as validated or something my new e-mail, in order to work around this current issue? --[[User:Litrivin|Litrivin]] ([[User talk:Litrivin|talk]]) 17:51, 6 May 2018 (CDT)
 
 
 
: Append {{c|<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>}} or use the "Your signature with timestamp" button from the edit toolbar (9th from the left). --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 01:42, 7 May 2018 (CDT)
 
 
 
Testing it. --[[User:DoomeroHispalense|DoomeroHispalense]] ([[User talk:DoomeroHispalense|talk]]) 13:53, 10 May 2018 (CDT)
 
 
 
Hi Quasar.&nbsp; You asked me to investigate {{dwforums|id=99991|title=this}}, but I too have failed to activate email [https://i.imgur.com/al2US0Q.png] [https://i.imgur.com/64zlZit.png], and like the OP I tried multiple addresses.&nbsp; I know the shell TODO is very long and I've never personally used the feature, but if some percentage of newbies want notifications, that should ideally be addressed at some point.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 10:08, 8 June 2018 (CDT)
 
: As far as I can tell, email is completely broken on the server currently. I don't yet know what is wrong or how to fix it. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 16:51, 9 June 2018 (CDT)
 
 
 
I am interested in another change of my user name, for the sake of consistency. Yes, I promise this is the last one I request... The new display name I want is «Diabolución» (without angled quotation marks, of course). [[User:DoomeroHispalense|DoomeroHispalense]] ([[User talk:DoomeroHispalense|talk]])
 
 
 
: Done --[[User:SpiderMastermind|SpiderMastermind]] ([[User talk:SpiderMastermind|talk]]) 21:37, 2 January 2019 (CST)
 
 
 
== FULLURL magic word ==
 
 
 
[[Special:PermaLink/117618|Um.]]&nbsp; Magic words are meant to be pretty bulletproof actually.&nbsp; Is it at all possible that [[mw:Manual:$wgCanonicalServer|config]] [[mw:Manual:$wgServer|variables]] need tweaking for HTTPS still?&nbsp; (I'm just asking before I cross-reference another 200+ tickets, which I don't mind doing.)
 
 
 
P.S. [[mw:Manual:Security#TLS|"A guide for setting up TLS is out of the scope of this document"]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&mdash; oh really, even regarding the database and auth stuff within MediaWiki?&nbsp; WMF spends 18 months trumpeting its own altruism, protecting the non-technical proletariat by switching over, but hundreds of thousands of third-party installs can sink or swim apparently.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 03:10, 18 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
== Title blacklist log ==
 
 
 
Did you ever actually activate this in LocalSettings.php after the last spam incident?&nbsp; I ask because I'm seeing 100% of nothing still [https://imgur.com/snEmeBA].&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 10:47, 18 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
: I had erroneously come away with the conclusion that the MediaWiki devs had declined to implement it due to possible privacy concerns. I've currently enabled it and done what I think gives SpiderMastermind the ability to view it. Maybe try generating a hit against it so we can see what happens. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 05:06, 20 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
:: Four out of four attempts were stopped, as intended, but the log is still blank for me.&nbsp; [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=titleblacklist&user=&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_tag_log=1&hide_review_log=1 Can you see anything?]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 10:27, 24 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
::: Strangely enough, no. SpiderMastermind isn't able to see anything. Seems like it's not working. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 10:51, 24 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
:::: After further digging, it seems your interpretation was correct: the log was [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T23206#1220525 implemented], then [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/333559/ reverted].&nbsp; (The second link is an inference; sometimes changes which are deemed "urgent", because the WMF decides they contravene philosophy, are done immediately without remembering to update the associated tickets.&nbsp; Perhaps it was discussed on the listserv but I can't find it.)&nbsp; As discussed on IRC, there is no emergency from our end, so I'll merely add this to my followup list for future MediaWiki upgrades.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 06:14, 25 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
== LMP upload creating inconsistency? ==
 
 
 
Sorry for another cheerful thread... There is something wobbly with [[:File:E1m1step.lmp|this file]], which we discussed on IRC when it was detected as the wrong MIME type.&nbsp; First, on recent changes, my last edit isn't marked as the latest edit [https://imgur.com/aFPUZKi] even though it is.&nbsp; Then, the "File usage" section on the info page has no entries, even though I added a link immediately [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:E1M1:_Hangar_%28Doom%29&diff=prev&oldid=160431].&nbsp; It's not really hurting anything, but now I can't help wondering if it's a symptom of a backend issue.&nbsp; Hope that makes some sense, thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 21:50, 27 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
: Sorry I have no idea what is going on with it. Do keep in mind stuff like usage links take a while to populate just like categories do. Up to an hour to be precise as that's the current schedule that backend tasks are being run on. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 00:31, 28 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
:: I did know that, but it's been over a week.&nbsp; The first anomaly is more concerning since it relates to the process of saving an edit.&nbsp; If I don't see it again, however, I suppose it's just another MediaWiki flitter.&nbsp; :7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 05:45, 28 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
::: A <nowiki>[[:File:_____]]</nowiki> link is a link to the File page and counts in its Special:WhatLinksHere list. A <nowiki>[[Media:_____]]</nowiki> link counts as a use of the file and generates two hyperlinks, one to download and the other to view the corresponding file page. I think you meant to use the latter and used the former instead. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 05:59, 28 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
:::: Thanks; that makes sense, given that [[Special:Diff/44316/44398|my previous ramble]] used the Media: form, which was indeed picked up by "File usage".&nbsp; Dunno why I didn't notice that.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 19:43, 28 February 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
== Timestamp of last edit to a page ==
 
 
 
Hello again.&nbsp; Please see [https://i.imgur.com/4xOHzrE.png here].&nbsp; Shouldn't the footer match the top entry in the list?&nbsp; I don't object to your/manc's choice of time zone, but I would think the goal is to implement it consistently.&nbsp; Woof woof.&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 15:36, 4 March 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
: Clearly a Monaco issue and not a wiki configuration problem in this case. I can look into it but it's not going to happen quickly. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 17:25, 4 March 2018 (CST)
 
 
 
== Username change? ==
 
 
 
Hello Quasar, is there a way I can alter my username so it appears as FrogMaster? If not, where do I go to delete this account so I can make a new one. Thanks!  [[User:Fr0gm4st3R|Fr0gm4st3R]] ([[User talk:Fr0gm4st3R|talk]]) 07:38, 16 Jan 2019 (EST)
 
 
 
: Yes I can rename the account. Note that this will affect the login screen the next time you sign in; you will need to change it on the form in your browser. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 08:30, 17 January 2019 (CST)
 
 
 
==BREAKING NEWS==
 
:DoomWiki has a new wiki home! {{frozenlink|http://doomwiki.shoutwiki.com|http://doomwiki.shoutwiki.com||Wiki deleted and user permabanned by ShoutWiki staff 2019-07-22}} [[User:BlingBling|BlingBling]] ([[User talk:BlingBling|talk]]) 12:35, 6 April 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
:: Anybody is free to found a new wiki any time and anywhere they wish, but this one isn't going anywhere. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 23:54, 6 April 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
== Automatic checking ==
 
 
 
Hello. I wanted to know if there's any prerequisite to obtaining privileges for automatic-checking for edits? If so, are they listed somewhere in the wiki? I ask mostly because I'm interested in adding development information that's missing from most Doom levels, and for some of the prerelease material. [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] ([[User talk:Hfc2x|talk]]) 19:28, 5 May 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
: The requirements are actually pretty high right now because we've never customized them. As a result people are not earning autopromotion at a rate that's really reasonable given our retention levels. I've opened a discussion about changing it on Central Processing. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 22:17, 5 May 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
== LocalSettings.php ==
 
 
 
''it's literally 4 lines to add''&nbsp;&nbsp;&mdash; That's not the effort I mean.&nbsp; You have stated innumerable times that MediaWiki and our server configuration are both ridiculously brittle.&nbsp; Any PHP change risks prolonged downtime, data loss, and/or generally running the staff into the ground.&nbsp; Therefore, during the 2014 upgrade, we agreed that I would not make proposals involving extensions or config variables, until staff had resolved the stability concerns at every layer.
 
 
 
Has there been major improvement?&nbsp; The recent #doomwiki discussions about the server certainly sounded (from the outside) that all was not yet well.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 16:58, 7 May 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
: I honestly do not recall using that terminology. MediaWiki uses a lot of memory and processing power and those have been the sources of virtually all of the problems that we've had. php development on a live server is difficult because you can't really debug things in advance, and that's why it's much better done on a development instance dedicated to the purpose, rather than to a live website. But that simply doesn't factor in at all in the current situation - the settings I'm talking about are simple assignments to four elements of an array that is already defined by the FlaggedRevs extension. It's utterly mundane and routine. This is nowhere in the same universe as an upgrade process or installing a major extension blind.
 
 
 
: The ongoing discussions have been about setting up an automated backup system and that because of DreamCloud's occasional decision to upgrade their storage infrastructure or to reboot the server w/o warning, which causes operating system level issues. That work is already complete and is functioning optimally. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 20:02, 7 May 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
:: I was definitely not trying to match anyone's exact wording from 2014 (not sure I even have all the logs anymore).&nbsp; If I misunderstood the change process at that time, I apologize.
 
 
 
:: That said, please be aware that my intent was to avoid wasting everyone's time &mdash; mostly the maintainers' in testing, as you note, but also other power users' in distilling and posting opinions, which apparently is a limited resource also.&nbsp; If this sort of analysis must occur each time, possibly reversing precedents along the way, then I won't bother, and presumably should develop thicker skin about being overruled on "big picture" grounds.&nbsp; FWIW.&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 11:05, 19 May 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
Per the recent IRC discussion about upgrading MediaWiki &mdash; if you are definitely planning that, then I will delay FlaggedRevs proposals in case the upgrade [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing/2014#Upgrade Plans|wipes out the extension]] (which has again become [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T185664#4776747 unmaintained]).&nbsp; I'm sorry for my part in dragging these issues out so long, but we've always seen that moderation is a charged topic for the community; I only want to ask for people's attention and research (including yours and mine) if I'm sure the decision will be implementable.&nbsp; Stability and security are prerequisites for visible content anyway right?&nbsp; :P&nbsp; Hope that makes some sense, thanks.&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 13:46, 1 November 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
== Regular expressions ==
 
 
 
Hi again.&nbsp; When you get a chance, would you mind looking at this [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:VileNegationist&oldid=203480] [https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=VileNegationist] and see if you recall what your methodology was?&nbsp; The text looked completely fine at face value.&nbsp; I maybe could narrow down the issue if I spent a couple days with it&nbsp; :P&nbsp; but am about to leave town myself.&nbsp; Thanks, and sorry if this topic should have been raised [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing/2012#Abuse Filter?|well in advance]].&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 08:20, 26 July 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
: Recommend use of regexpal.com when this happens. You can put in the regular expression, and then edit the new lines added by the user that hit a false positive by removing text until it no longer matches the regex (no areas are highlighted on the page). At that point, unless you're a regex power user, you can probably only advise on how to change the text in question. But feel free to experiment of course - regexpal lets you test the changes in real time. --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 01:42, 30 July 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
:: Oh wow, that's great.&nbsp; In hindsight I should have guessed there were GUI tools for non-mavens (Wikipedia recommends regex101.com).&nbsp; Shame the extension only allows testing on tiny samples [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186971]; in practice, barring an emergency, I would probably set a tag and let it chug for a while until I was confident about false positives.&nbsp; Thanks for the fast fix and the pointer.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 22:27, 14 August 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
== Category:Console Doom errors and bugs ==
 
 
 
Hey, I noticed you generated a long-waited collection of console-specific bugs articles. How 'bout making an unusual error (found in PSX and GBA, etc.) where you cannot obtain all items (ammunition, health) per same coord point. Would be glad to exactly know the title of it before bringing it to existance here. :)
 
 
 
--[[User:MtErebus|MtErebus]] ([[User talk:MtErebus|talk]]) 04:34, 31 August 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
: I'm not aware of any existing clever names for that one among the community unfortunately. Tradition would have it be named as the phenomenon itself (if you check out vanilla Doom bug articles, like "Lost soul clipping problems", or "Things respawn outside the map"), but for this one I think maybe that would be too verbose. "Items cannot be collected when overlapping with other unneeded items" is pretty long for an article title x_x --[[User:Quasar|Quasar]] ([[User talk:Quasar|talk]]) 04:44, 31 August 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
:: So, what's suggested next when there are more than a couple of words to describe such a windy phenomenon?  --[[User:MtErebus|MtErebus]] ([[User talk:MtErebus|talk]]) 13:29, 31 August 2019 (CDT)
 
 
 
== A small thank you. ==
 
 
 
Hi there Quasar,
 
Thanks for allowing me to edit certain Wiki pages.
 
 
 
But first and formost id like to give a small thanks for checking my edits and spotting the ever so delightful little screw ups along the way (Talking about JDP and Caverns here).
 
 
 
It is some time to go before the Editor achievement is reached, but till then, i am glad and thankful for your corrections. Ill try to do even better as i go along. Because there is a lot still left that needs processing.
 
 
 
Have a nice weekend Quasar,
 
Red.
 

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cybernetic

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Doom 64 maps page layout

I just realized that for some reason the layout of pages about Doom 64 maps are different than what other map pages use. Shall I change it to match it more like the others? --ZeroTheEro (talk) 06:27, 2 April 2020 (CDT)

Wouldn't hurt. --Quasar (talk) 07:37, 2 April 2020 (CDT)
Alrighty. --ZeroTheEro (talk) 08:03, 2 April 2020 (CDT)

Press articles about Doom

Hey, can I split reviews into multiple tables, one for each version/different game? --Buzzbomber82 (talk) 02:54, 3 April 2020 (CDT)

Sounds like a good idea to me. --Quasar (talk) 04:26, 3 April 2020 (CDT)

Quasar

Quasar Grain of Salt (talk) 10:36, 13 May 2020 (CDT)

Moo. --Quasar (talk) 11:43, 13 May 2020 (CDT)

id Anthology info

Hello, I have recently gained information about the id Anthology I would like to add. I reached out to John Romero to verify the number of units created, and he confirmed the number of 10,000 was correct. How can I properly cite this, as it was in a direct email correspondence? If you have an email address I can forward it to you. --73.122.219.81 12:21, 31 July 2020 (CDT)

If you'd like to forward it, as I'm interested in having it for historical purposes, you can send it to haleyjd AT hotmail dot com (using the @ and . as normal). In the meantime it's OK to add it to the article anyways - sometimes we run into things like this that can't be directly cited but are known to come from reliable sources. --Quasar (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2020 (CDT)

Weapon categories

Sorty, but for what exact reason you are adding the "double-barreled shotguns" category is the is no other double-barreled shotguns besides the Super Shotguns which have their own disambiguation part in their own pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.51.168.64 (talk)

See New category suggestion. --Xymph (talk) 07:14, 3 September 2020 (CDT)

Doom RPG

I was reading your recent updates to Doom RPG article and began to wonder, if you have a copy of High-end BREW version of this game by chance? --Yetanotherhope

I have a friend who does. He's currently working on extracting the data from it. --Quasar (talk) 15:36, 24 January 2021 (CST)
Perhaps, a friend of yours is currently working on Doom RPG reverse engineering project? --Yetanotherhope 02:01, 25 January 2021 (CST)
Yep 😊 --Quasar (talk) 00:02, 26 January 2021 (CST)
Cool! Can't wait to see what secrets this version of game is holding. 😊 --Yetanotherhope 03:12, 27 January 2021 (CST)

Looking to have revisions checked

Hello. I'm new here. I'm not really a Doom person but I've gone out of my way almost two weeks ago to update the WebTV Plus page (which IMO, is a bit inaccurate of a name) concerning info on the elusive WebTV port of Doom and the frankly shoddy preservation efforts by the people in WebTV's hacking scene that followed 23 years after it was discovered to spread awareness about how endangered the original port is, along with just WebTV information in general. I've waited a week now but my changes are still pending. Since you've contributed to the page prior I figured you might be a little more interested in checking out the changes and hopefully giving them the greenlight. Thanks in advance.

By the way, wonder what's up with the email system here. Has it stopped working recently or is it just me as I can't even get a confirmation email sent to my inbox. WTV-411 (talk) 06:59, 7 June 2021 (CDT)

This is now done. I had concerns about the removal of some of the previous source links, which I have restored w/archived links as the sites have gone down since I wrote the original article. I also removed a mega.nz link as we cannot link to any kind of unauthorized files obtained through hacking or reverse engineering of commercial products here. The other changes were more minor picky stuff for flow and grammar.
You may not receive email at all if you are using a Google service, as they block our server for not implementing a Google-specific form of anti-spam response which the software on our server doesn't support. We've also had off-and-on problems with Microsoft blocking us, though I have recently been receiving things at my hotmail address. If you're using a different service, let me know. --Quasar (talk) 23:52, 7 June 2021 (CDT)
I'm fine with the MEGA link being removed if it's against the rules. Appears I didn't read too much into that. 😅 Also the only source link I really had actual issue with before my changes was the random link to a WebTV hacker's site that was thrown in as tacky advertising, which judging from the IP of the editor (since it's close to an IP of a home server a WebTV hacker manages) is possibly the owner of said site. That's just me though. Anyway, I'm still liking the end result and maybe this'll encourage some people lurking in the shadows to at least make more commotion about the abysmal state of WebTV-related preservation. I can only dream though.
Also had a feeling it had to do with Gmail not liking the mail servers (which is the email I used for this site). Guess I'll just use Protonmail or something. --WTV-411 (talk) 08:07, 8 June 2021 (CDT)

Brief, incoherent FlaggedRevs followup

In light of previous conversation, I should note the extension is beginning therapy [1] with a developer who knows what they're doing.  Of course a product manager could reshuffle priorities tomorrow, but if this code ever reaches production, it will be backward-compatible (to prevent German Wikipedia from forking) so we won't be starting from scratch.

I was never attached to the tier system although other contributors clearly like it, and I might even post a rant to represent the overall self-hosting POV (to which you need not respond  :>

Tangent: the shell team likely has bigger fish to fry during the upgrade process itself, e.g. irreversible metadata migration [2].  FWIW / KUTGW.  Ryan W (living fossil) 01:01, 8 June 2021 (CDT)

Thanks for the heads-up ^_^ --Quasar (talk) 08:25, 8 June 2021 (CDT)

100,000 Levels Title header upload problem

I'm currently having problems uploading my image of 100,000 Levels onto this wiki despite the file size not going above 2.44 MBs. The resolution is 1920x1080 and wondering what the problem could be? Justice ∞ (talk) 01:15, 29 August 2021 (CDT)

If there's somewhere else you can toss it (such as an image hosting site for example) I could try it here. Otherwise it's difficult for me to debug. --Quasar (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2021 (CDT)
Here you go https://imgur.com/gallery/1mY1QW3. I had to downsize my image to a lower resolution in order for me to be able to upload on here. Everytime I tried uploading the image, it would fail and refresh back to the upload page. Justice ∞ (talk) 00:40, 31 August 2021 (CDT)

Requesting a minor username change, please

I would like to request a username change. The new username, featuring the desired capitalisation and split into two words, should be:

Rata asquerosa

RataAsquerosa (talk) 10:02, 25 September 2021 (CDT)

Edit notices

I saw your note on Taw Tulki's talk page about warnings being ignored and decided to bring my response here rather than clog their page up.

I can think of two possible options:

  1. Apply an edit notice to contentious pages that carries a similar warning as {{ConsensusContentionMsg}}. Anyone trying to edit such pages would then see the notice at the top of the page - the problem is that if they ignore the big red box at the top of the article, they'll probably ignore the big red box on the edit page as well.
  2. Apply semi-protection to the affected articles to stop any editing by new/unregistered users. I don't favour this option personally as Pending Changes/FlaggedRevs already requires edits from those groups of people to be reviewed before the average viewer actually sees them, and all this would do is discourage potential editors.

On the other hand, it doesn't matter what you do - some people will always find ways to not do what you tell them. Gauss (talk) 13:18, 9 November 2021 (CST)

Unfortunately option 1 uses a "fmbox" template which is an #invoke, meaning it is implemented using Wikipedia's Scribunto plugin, which we don't support here because I think it's crazy to write web frontend code in Lua. --Quasar (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2021 (CST)
You're forced to include the Lua piece regardless of the inner template used?  That's rude.  IIRC though, many templates worked just fine before Scribunto rolled out, including this one.  We could try importing the historical snapshot if there's a clear use for it.
FWIW, Gauss, it's supposed to be relatively easy to post a custom boxed message with the standardized templates Quasar implemented (stupid example).  However, for registered users, a talk page message is safer because MediaWiki has longstanding issues with templates/banners not displaying on mobile.  (It affects Wikipedia much more often because of the huge amount of custom JS/CSS, but I remember hitting it here occasionally.)  HTH.    Ryan W (living fossil) 09:45, 18 December 2021 (CST)
As far as Scribunto-backed templates go (aka Modules), you would be reimplementing everything in template markup, which means doing it from scratch. And unfortunately there have been a lot of renames and subsequent deletions on Wikipedia that have made it impossible to access the edit history of a lot of templates from before they installed Scribunto. --Quasar (talk) 19:18, 18 December 2021 (CST)