From DoomWiki.org Warning: You are not logged in. Your IP address will be recorded in this page's edit history. Anti-spam check. Do not fill this in! == MediaWiki:Licenses, again == I will begin by repeating that your expansion is a vast improvement over the previous version, which also seemed to develop some scar tissue during the 1.5 upgrade. :> However, I still don't understand your reasoning for the first three items in the drop-down menu. * You propose templates called "Template:Don't know", "Template:No license", and "Template:Somewebsite", yet you don't want them to say the same thing as Template:Unverified. It almost sounds as though we're baiting people by not telling them they shouldn't have uploaded something, or that they need to provide more information. Because this site is about a computer game, we're sort of forced to use a ridiculous number of fair use images in order to be comprehensible, and that is a more subtle policy than Wikipedia's (which basically states that the less frequently the editors even think about fair use, the better). Therefore, I would think that a loud and unambiguous caution to the newbie is called for sooner rather than later. I stand by what I wrote above: I have never seen anyone upload an image and try to conceal it from image-deleting admins by labeling it with the wrong license, but we have definitely had people copy images from other sites or from promo material and honestly believe it could be reused without comment. * Why do the first three menu options not place the image into a category? Ignoring any [[Doom Wiki:Central Processing#Special:Uncategorizedscreenshots|obvious bugs]] for the moment, I can easily envision a well-meaning, but copyright-ignorant editor glancing at the thumbnails (or even just at the file names!) and then tossing them into various fair use categories without checking for warnings on the description pages. Even in the absence of Template:Unverified, I think such images should at least be put into a suitably named category, which can be reviewed periodically for questionable cases. * Why is "Template:No license" added for the second and third options, but not the first? Please disregard any of the above which were already true before your modifications. I didn't think to test it at all until I might actually know enough to interpret the results. [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] 19:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :Heh, you are assuming much too much though on my part in this. I simply copied [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki:Licenses]] and modified it until it looked nice. Feel free to remove anything you don't need. I believe 'baiting the uploader' is exactly what Wikimedia does, so that they can correct the person as to what type of upload is warranted. --{{suppresswl|w:User:Splarka|Splarka}} <small>({{suppresswl|w:User_talk:Splarka|talk}})</small> 21:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC) ::''you are assuming much too much though on my part in this'' Well, if you insist. :> So how do I make the "No license" option add a template? The help page at central is incorrect: it states that the top line of MediaWiki:Licenses will be the default menu option, but in fact "No license" is added automatically. [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] 23:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :::The first line always includes no license template or section. This is, I believe, for people that want to add the license manually (such as a template with parameters) without re-editing the page after upload. The solution on commons was to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Nolicense&diff=4320574&oldid=712899 edit the default top message]. Don't bother trying to add a template trick to [[MediaWiki:Nolicense]], I tried it and it [http://communitytest.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Nolicense&diff=1769&oldid=1171 doesn't work] (''bah''). The general solution on Wikimedia (I think) is to delete everything in [[Special:Uncategorizedimages]] (and also include a category on every license template). :::However, if you want, I could add a bit of javascript to remove the first option and make the first item on MediaWiki:Licenses (whatever is there at the time) be the default. --{{suppresswl|w:User:Splarka|Splarka}} <small>({{suppresswl|w:User_talk:Splarka|talk}})</small> 01:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC) ::::''for people that want to add the license manually . . . without re-editing the page after upload'' Oy vay, you're absolutely right; that's even mentioned [[Doom Wiki:Policies and guidelines#Images|here]]. No, don't add javascript — we can't handcuff the power users. Assuming the bug eventually gets fixed, someone will deal with the content of Special:Uncategorizedimages from time to time (besides, if you're right about the "stealth" uploaders, that page will usually be empty anyway). Sorry about that. [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] 01:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC) :::::Actually, what I could do instead (possibly), is move the "none selected" to the very bottom of the list, for the power users. --{{suppresswl|w:User:Splarka|Splarka}} <small>({{suppresswl|w:User_talk:Splarka|talk}})</small> 01:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC) ::::::Interesting. Of course, depending on the user's screen size and browser font settings, the lowest option is sometimes the *closest* to the mouse pointer. :D I suppose you should try to do that if you find it an interesting puzzle, or not do it if it's a headache, or flip a coin if it's both. (Regular contributors charge right to the fair use options anyway, so they wouldn't have to relearn any habits IMHO.) [[User:Ryan W|Ryan W]] 02:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC) :::::::Fair enough. Lazy wins! You might change: [[MediaWiki:Nolicense]] to say something like "''None selected - Choose or type in a license, or your image will be summarily deleted''" --{{suppresswl|w:User:Splarka|Splarka}} <small>({{suppresswl|w:User_talk:Splarka|talk}})</small> 02:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC) ::::::::I thought of that after looking at your diffs, but then I read some very long "baiting" discussions on Wikipedia talk:, and decided that if we are going to do it at all (i.e. using [[Template:Unknownlicense|this]] instead of instantaneously suggesting that in all four indeterminate cases the image will be deleted), we should at least use a consistent tone among the first three options. We'll see how it goes. The whole issue may be quite marginal anyway, as basically the only images we've ever deleted are obvious vandalism, therefore off-topic regardless of license. 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