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== Re: "bot script at your service" ==

LOL!&nbsp; That's extremely impressive &mdash; thank you.

If you're actually interested in this (and LOL again because as my page says, you take it seriously at your own peril), then I suggest the following based on past approaches:
# Make the table sortable.
# Include Category: and Template: space (to catch WAD titles).
# Omit redirects unless the page contains additional non-whitespace text (e.g. categorization, HTML comment).
# Detect sort keys in category links, e.g. {{c|<nowiki>[[Category:Community stewards|Haley, James]]</nowiki>}}.&nbsp; I confess I tend to leave these alone, even though I think 99% are errors, because they're better than nothing and I have no idea what consensus is.
# Include map pages, which are also supposed to be sorted by name ignoring the map slot and leading article.
# Detect sort keys applied by templates.&nbsp; This, according to Wikipedia's bot operators, is very difficult; I assume you would implement parameter-related logic case by case, e.g. ''name'' within [[Template:Map]], rather than "simulating" transclusions in a general way.

Again, don't do this unless it's fascinating&nbsp; :>&nbsp; but it's true that this has been a lingering issue over the years.&nbsp; We want to help readers navigate any way we can.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 21:25, 15 February 2018 (CST)

: Thank you too for a "fascinating" idea for a new script. :-) Items 1 & 2 done.<br/>3: showing non-redirect, possibly rendered content is relevant indeed and I wanted to see that first (as an intermediate step, at least). So I dropped the font size to reduce emphasis and added nowiki tags to show such content (looks like there's none).<br/>4: Not sure I follow this. Are you proposing to recursively check all people pages under [[:Category:People]] for Category tags? That would be somewhat tough to do.<br/>5: [[User:XymphBot#navboxBot.php|navboxBot.php]] already checks / adds the map|name= field if necessary. This script has been run across all mapsets covered via XymphBot (which, I suppose, I could provide a list of). Re-checking all map pages falls outside the scope of articleSort.php but may be feasible in another script that recursively processes all of [[:Category:Levels by slot]]. But that would still not cover single-level WADs that are intentionally not categorized there.<br/>6: Your specific example seems (somewhat) covered already by item 5, but otherwise I don't fully understand this suggestion yet. Can you elaborate?<br/>--[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 13:34, 16 February 2018 (CST)

:: For point 5, they'd appear in the wrong place in [[:Category:Levels by name]]. Unless I'm mistaken somewhere, there was a whopping ''four'' articles out of place when I just checked, so I've corrected them. --[[User:Eris Falling|Eris Falling]] ([[User talk:Eris Falling|talk]]) 14:06, 16 February 2018 (CST)
:: Additionally, the single-level WADs that don't appear in the categories also shouldn't have a MAPXX/ExMy prefix, so I think they're all covered by your initial script. --[[User:Eris Falling|Eris Falling]] ([[User talk:Eris Falling|talk]]) 14:10, 16 February 2018 (CST)

::: I agree with Eris; perhaps my examples are contrived.&nbsp; The reason I thought about a bot is that it's hard to find a discrepancy on a real article!&nbsp; It's also true that XymphBot has been ''very'' thorough in the case of maps, so maybe certain things are too unlikely to bother with, and if someone wants to double-check anyway, they're all categorized if they use [[Template:Map]].&nbsp; (4052 maps&nbsp; O_O&nbsp; O_O&nbsp; O_O )

::: For #4, imagine that [[A Fistful of Doom]] is created by a newbie.&nbsp; Trying to be helpful, they include a sortkey, {{c|<nowiki>[[Category:Partial conversions|Fistful of Doom, A]]</nowiki>}}, but don't realize that all those templates also invoke categories and it won't carry over.&nbsp; (I'm hoping we don't need to redo this for people, actually, because it would be impossible for the bot to decide whether someone has a name or a multi-word handle, and again a small number of subcategories includes everyone.)

::: #6 is futureproofing, I guess, in case we someday want infoboxes for [[The Page of Doom|websites]] or [[The King Doom Experience|tools]] or something else that attracts grandiose titles.&nbsp; :>&nbsp; Right now I can't think of an example outside modding.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Ryan W|Ryan W]] ''([[User:Ryan W|living fossil]])'' 21:30, 16 February 2018 (CST)

:::: Thanks Eris for catching that Project Kate page; I did the skeleton work more manually than usual (due to UDMF maps) and then forgot to run navboxBot.php afterwards.<br/>I think I've implemented #4 as suggested, and #3 as well. It looks like that covers everything suggested so far, if there's something more/else then please propose. --[[User:Xymph|Xymph]] ([[User talk:Xymph|talk]]) 06:58, 17 February 2018 (CST)