Talk:Skulltag

"The Skulltag Team"

Is it really necessary to list forum admins/mods as part of the development team? They essentially have nothing to do with the source-port itself, and more to do with the community. The list could be shrunk substantially if it only focused on developers who made actual source/media contributions to Skulltag itself. Not intending to muster up any of the recent drama, but it seems especially unnecessary.

monsters

Do the skulltag monsters deserve their own articles? Or an article "Skulltag Monsters", or maybe just sections in this article? I ask because they are wikilinked and somebody has created Dark Imp (the content of which should probably just go in here). -- Jdowland 19:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it was decided somewhere else (maybe) that custom monsters not in the original games went in their respective game/mod/source port articles. Bloodshedder 00:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm.  It was decided that custom weapons went in their respective game/mod/port articles, although IIRC some people thought that this discussion alone was not conclusive enough for a final decision.

The larger question here is: which new features in source ports deserve their own articles and which do not?  Some, like scripting languages, seem to get their own articles without any debate.  I can believe that a scripting language generally takes more effort and is far less common than a new Thing, but is that by itself enough reason to confine the monsters/weapons to one paragraph each?  (Maybe it is.  I've never tried it so I don't know.)  Does a monster or weapon mod become more notable simply by being bundled with a popular source port?  (It certainly becomes far more widely known, as the Skulltag partisans here have pointed out.)  Are helper dogs new monsters or a new engine feature?

Maybe we can agree that anything reproducible with a DeHackEd patch is too minor to have its own article, but we may want to make exceptions for particularly infamous cases (the rocket trooper comes to mind).    Ryan W 17:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Cacolantern has been created also.    Ryan W 17:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Helper dog has enough information in it to deserve an article of it's own: also, it's present in all MBF derivatives, which includes Eternity and Prboom, so it's relatively widespread. Cacolantern and Dark Imp do not. -- Jdowland 19:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Aspect Ratio

It has been brought to my attention that someone here is repeatedly restoring some bogus report about an aspect ratio bug in Skulltag. This information is not correct. There is no aspect ratio bug in Skulltag which behaves exactly like all other source ports out there. Graf Zahl 22:17, 13. June 2007

A demonstration of the lack of aspect compensation, with original pistol sprite for aspect comparison.

If everyone does it wrong, it's still wrong. Tangent 08:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

How the status bar face should appear

The one on the left is actually correct, if you go by how Vanilla Doom behaves. Doom originally ran fullscreen in 320x200 mode. Most monitors are a 4:3 aspect ratio, so to fill the screen the monitors does some vertical stretching.

Nowadays, some monitors don't support 320x200 or 640x400 properly any more. If you run in this resolution, you're likely to get black borders at the top and bottom of the screen because the monitor is actually running in 320x240 / 640x480 and the OS is compensating.

For Chocolate Doom I've actually written aspect ratio correction code that stretches the 320x200 screen so that you can run in 640x480 and have it appear how it appeared in DOS when Doom originally came out. Arguably this is how it's supposed to appear - the zombies look squashed down when running in a 1:1 pixel ratio, whereas when running with aspect ratio correction they appear tall and in the proportions that you expect a human to appear.

The image on the right shows how the status bar face should appear on your screen if the port is doing aspect ratio correction properly. Fraggle 16:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

But in the ratio you feel is correct causes round sprites such as Cacodemons or the Megasphere and Soulsphere to become oval. Why would a behavior that causes such stretching be considered correct? Even if the 16:10->4:3 is correct (which I strongly doubt), Skulltag does not display 16:10 at the same aspect ratio as 4:3. Tangent 19:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

That's just how they appear in Doom. You might want to check out Image:Aspect_Ratio_Mona_Lisa.png which demonstrates that with the aspect ratio corrected ("stretched"), the status bar face better matches the shape of the human face. Fraggle 19:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I just did some experiments with the cacodemon sprite. If you examine it you'll find it's not round, but actually a squashed oval. When you stretch it up to correct the aspect ratio it looks rounder. I think the sprites and other graphics in Doom were specifically designed for the 8:5 aspect ratio. Fraggle 19:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Also also, an astral dreadnought head is not perfectly round, and the sphere powerups in Doom may well be based on the extra life powerups from Wolfenstein 3D, which IIRC were not perfectly round (though it's been a while since I played that in 320x200 either).    Ryan W 21:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Everything else of that is conjecture, and the Cacodemon definitely does not look rounder when stretched vertically (it is ~10% taller than wide). Either way, Skulltag does not include compensation for the differences between 16:10 and 4:3 so they display in different ways, which is not normal game behavior. Hopefully you can at least understand this.

Maybe we need the input of an original team member regarding the aspect.

EDIT: Doom Advance and Doom RPG display the sprites in the aspect that I feel is correct. Tangent 22:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Both 640x480 and 640x400 should appear the same, aside from a slight increase in graininess in the vertical direction. There shouldn't be any black bars at the top or bottom, as pixels in 640x400 (and 320x200) aren't square, but slightly higher than their width. (By 6/5, which unsurprisingly is equal to 480/400.)

Of course, there's always a chance that even vanilla Doom got this wrong, and should have applied A/R correction in the opposite direction. But after seeing that Mona Lisa demonstration, I doubt it...

What might be useful for the Aspect ratio article are photographs of what things should and shouldn't look like in vanilla and various ports, since the A/R of screenshots is dependent on the viewer's display. -- CODOR 00:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

See, that's what I'm thinking, that vanilla Doom did this wrong due to a technical limitation, or maybe nobody noticed (many people can't easily distinguish aspect distortion). I do see it's possible that they could have intended it to be stretched, but it seems more likely to me that they gave the humanoids slightly unrealistic proportions than that they didn't want circles to actually be round.

I emailed John Romero about it, but his response was "I have no idea" because he thought I was talking only about Doom 95, so I need to clarify that. Tangent 09:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Left: Corrected aspect ratio, Right: Uncorrected aspect ratio, Center: Box art

Here is some pretty convincing evidence that Doom was designed for the unusual 320x200 aspect ratio. On the left is the Doom guy's head as it appears on the title screen when the aspect ratio is corrected (ie. stretched to fit the screen). The right is the uncorrected version. In the center is the head as it appears on the Doom box art. It seems pretty clear from this that at least the title screen was designed for the 320x200 aspect ratio, and if that's the case, it's likely that most of the other art work was as well. Fraggle 03:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

That makes sense, but there are still many sprites that don't look correct at all, such as the rocket, which becomes short and oval. Perhaps they only designed some of the sprites for distortion? Tangent 20:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I can play in 640x400 in all ports with no distortion, nor black bars, whatsoever. I get no distortion in 640x480 either. The previous scentence is true for all ports except for Doom95 (Which may actually look correct on the computers with the black bars problem). I think that any of this problem is either not a bug and just a problem with the user's computer. Even if it was, it should be put in a wider range instead of being attributed solely to Skulltag, say like Zdoom. -Wagi 69.51.157.227 14:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

If your video card supports 640x400 mode then it will look correct (when fullscreen on a 4:3 monitor), and will be undistorted. However, you will always get some kind of distortion when running at 640x480 mode - either the aspect ratio will be distorted because the port doesn't correct the graphics for the different pixel sizes, or there will be some blurring of the graphics due to the aspect ratio correction applied. Fraggle 09:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

For a detailed discussion of the empirical rendering differences between ports, see here.    Ryan W 10:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

When running Zdoom/Skulltag in 640x480, the only kind of distortion I get is on the status bar, because it scales the status bar's height up, and consequently, every other row is doubled. Other than that, the heights and tallness are all preserved for me. Also, in the site Ryan linked to, I'm suprised he didn't bitch about how the weapon is distorted in ALL resolutions of Doom95. :] -Wagi 69.51.157.227 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

skulltag monsters

abaddon is a new monster too skulltag too and the guradsohere and other items like that are cool ...

Skulltag should have a mic feature

I may sound crazy but it would help without typing lots of words during coops and deathmatches. You could get fragged by a player or killed by another demon, doesn't that stink? [Like the following situation.]

PLAYER:I FOUND THE EXIT
   
   Then
   
   PLAYER:WAS SLASHED BY AN IMP
   
   Then
   
   PLAYER:DARN:<

Now you see.

We sould hook up mics into our computers into the pink mic jacks and talk live to other players which helps thme in a situation like this.

{Player On the mike speaking} Watch out, fireball!

{Player2 On the mike speaking} Thanks I almost got hit!

See plus the mic will help skulltag have more users on it. It would be a big hit on doom online multiplayer! Plus people might make more donations to Skulltag!

Good thought, and one that I'd like to see... but what exactly does it have to do with a Wiki, which is basically a documentation site? Shouldn't you talk to the Skulltag Devs or post in their forums? It's a lot more likely they'll read it there as opposed to here. --Dark Pulse 05:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

You should take your suggestion to the Skulltag forums. This kind of discussion isn't really appropriate for the Doom wiki. Thanks. Fraggle 11:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

new monster in skulltag ( and items )

the abaddons and thoose monsters are cool and the items are cool too

items

items guardsphere doomsphere timfreezesphere and spread and others i dont know

Staff Listings

The retired staff listing under the staff section is incomplete, it's only a listing of the people who are currently in the retired staff usergroup on the Skulltag forums - not everyone who was formerly a Skulltag staff member. Either an effort to add all the people missing should be made, or it should be removed altogether.

This is a wiki so anyone can add themselves or other missing people to the list at any time, which is why I don't see it's a problem to have an incomplete list until it is eventually completed. If you disagree, please state why you think an incomplete list is better than having no one listed at all. -- Janizdreg 19:20, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Does Quake have a "Haste" powerup? I don't remember any.

subj PolicyNonsense 08:28, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't, unless one refers to Quake as a series rather than as the first game with that name. There's a haste powerup in Quake III Arena and in Quake IV multiplayer. --Gez 09:23, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

What's the deal with "Zandronum"?

I searched for it and found a source code repo but I don't understand what happened. Anyone knows more? PolicyNonsense 05:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

https://zandronum.com/ and https://bitbucket.org/Torr_Samaho/zandronum We forked from Skulltag since we got tired of dealing with Carnevil. Website and stuff is still under construction but we had to make it public since Carnevil closed the Skulltag forums. All of the staff are involved with the fork, so it is safe to say that all development of Skulltag has ceased.

We also plan to take the port in a slightly different direction by removing autoloaded stock content (there are probably some details about that on the forum somewhere). Blzut3 06:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. What forums, btw? The closed Skulltag ones or new Zandronum ones? PolicyNonsense 07:31, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

The new ones. Blzut3 07:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Custom things mapping

Here it is at long last, for use in any custom mods using Skulltag as a dependency, by going through skulltag.pk3 I was able to compile the following custom things mapping file for DMMPST (TSV format):

# class	thingID	wikiname	wikilink
0	5005	Super shotgun guy	Skulltag#New monsters
0	5003	Dark imp	Skulltag#New monsters
0	5004	Blood demon	Skulltag#New monsters
0	5006	Cacolantern	Skulltag#New monsters
0	5015	Abaddon	Skulltag#New monsters
0	5007	Hectebus	Skulltag#New monsters
0	5008	Belphegor	Skulltag#New monsters
2	5014	Minigun	Skulltag#New weapons
2	5011	Grenade launcher	Skulltag#New weapons
2	5012	Railgun	Skulltag#New weapons
2	5013	BFG10k	Skulltag#New weapons
4	5040	Red armor	Skulltag#New items
5	5091	Max. armor bonus	Skulltag#New items
5	5090	Max. health bonus	Skulltag#New items
5	5030	Turbosphere	Skulltag#Spheres
5	5032	Time freeze sphere	Skulltag#Spheres
5	5035	Invisibility sphere	Skulltag#Spheres
5	5036	Doomsphere	Skulltag#Spheres
5	5037	Guardsphere	Skulltag#Spheres
5	5039	Random powerup	Skulltag#Spheres
5	5100	Strength rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5101	Rage rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5102	Drain rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5103	Spread rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5104	Resistance rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5105	Regeneration rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5106	Prosperity rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5107	Reflection rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5108	High jump rune	Skulltag#Runes
5	5109	Haste rune	Skulltag#Runes
7	5025	Red skull (Skulltag)	Skulltag#Multiplayer game modes
7	5026	Blue skull (Skulltag)	Skulltag#Multiplayer game modes
7	5130	Blue flag	Skulltag#Multiplayer game modes
7	5131	Red flag	Skulltag#Multiplayer game modes
7	5132	White flag	Skulltag#Multiplayer game modes
7	5133	Green flag	Skulltag#Multiplayer game modes
7	5134	Gold flag	Skulltag#Multiplayer game modes
7	5020	Hell score pillar	Skulltag#Multiplayer game modes

Please let me know any improvements/corrections. And here's how you can help with mapping files for other WADs. --Dynamo128 (talk) 16:52, 14 June 2022 (CDT)