Talk:Speedrun

Two little thoughts for this entry.

We say that the descriptions of COMPET-N categories are "taken from the Compet-N FAQ", but today I revised them to make them (I hope) slightly clearer. So are they still "taken from the Compet-N FAQ"? Did somebody, for example, go to the trouble of getting permission from that site to repost them as long as they weren't altered? (And if so, for future reference, where on earth did it say that in the existing article?)

That entire huge list of footnotes from the COMPET-N "rules" page should not be included here, even if our policies allow it. If someone actually needs to know that stuff, then they're seriously thinking about submitting something, and if they're seriously thinking about submitting something, they should be reading their favorite speedrunning site for rules clarifications, not this one. Ryan W 03:38, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I indirectly changed my mind about the second one. :> The tables in the articles for the individual categories make less sense without the information in the footnotes. Ryan W 18:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC).

Wow, too much cherry Coke that day. Let's start over.

Does anyone know how to contact Adam Hegyi? The address on the COMPET-N page bounces, and I've wondered if the rule descriptions on this page are so close to the originals as to be a copyright violation without his permission. Ryan W 23:02, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The rule descriptions can be copied under the fair use doctrine. I'm not sure if it matters that they have been modified, though. I haven't seen Adam Hegyi in several months. Fredrik 11:29, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If the modification does matter, then that also applies to the "storyline" sections we've scooped right out of the game manuals, because AFAICT those have all been changed as well. Ryan W 21:12, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I found a second address elsewhere on the site, and re-sent my letter.  Let's see what happens.   Ryan W 06:32, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Update: I heard back from Adam Hegyi, who has no problems with the rule descriptions.  He says (among other things which I shall incorporate into our tables): "[T]he real value at COMPET-N are the demos themselves, and those are owned by their authors."   :>      Ryan W 20:04, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

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I want to add an MMH page and put links to the episode runs into our articles, but the COMPET-N database has been down for days.   Ryan W 23:37, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

categories

The categories are working in the wrong direction here: Speedrun should not be in the categories UV speed | Pacifist | Tyson ; they should be in Category:Speedrun. I haven't fixed this yet though. -- Jdowland 22:26, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Bringing this page into modernity

Compet-n hasn't run the show for a while, so this page reads as quite outdated. I'm not sure if I'll get around to an overhaul myself, but I'll drop some useful information:

- The effective hub of speedrunning is Doomworld's own Doom Speed Demos subforum. The majority of "competitive" demos are posted directly there, and until recently, demos posted there have been mirrored to DSDA (http://doomedsda.us/ (archived 🏛)), maintained by Andy Olivera, who also accepted email submissions. Recently, Andy "retired" and now DSDA3 (https://dsdarchive.com/) is carrying the torch. Compet-n still gets activity, but such activity is very limited.

- -nomonsters is an important category that should be listed on the main page. MMH is a "deprecated" category in practice; no one runs it, DSDA3 doesn't even archive it anymore, which should be noted.

- Instead of deleting Compet-n info, preserving it makes a lot more sense. It was very important historically, after all. One could modify wording where appropriate -- e.g., "Compet-n is generally" becomes "Compet-n was generally" -- and start a new section for the DSDA era.

- "The Doomed Speed Demos Archive (abandoned)" in the links is technically accurate, but it ignores the existence of Andy's version, which was a revival of that.

This is far from comprehensive, but it should be a good starting point. --Rdwpa (talk) 15:38, 13 February 2020 (CST)

Hi there, some of these overhauls have actually been planned for a while, including moving -nomonsters to the main table. I proposed a revised format a couple of years ago. As discussed here, we just need the process of updating tables to be automated, but I'm not clued in on what the status of things are with that. I agree with the thoughts on Compet-n, it's somewhat misleading on the articles to list records of which quite a few have been broken by this point for a while. Perhaps having both DSDA and Compet-n on appropriate articles could work. --Eris Falling (talk) 20:45, 13 February 2020 (CST)

It would be fantastic if people could indeed find time for an overhaul.  Our speedrunning material reads as outdated because it is.  :>  Compet-n has its own article as do certain styles, so we shouldn't need to lose information, merely move it off this article if the emphasis or detail seems excessive.

IMO the bot proposal is an independent topic (only map pages would be edited, not this kind of page), so don't feel you need to wait on that to write about history and community.  It seemed clear here that Xymph wanted to implement it and fx was willing to help with the Compet-n part, so again, just a question of getting around to it.  I agree with Eris about having two tables on applicable maps — if people don't believe Compet-n was important once, I can't make them, but in data processing terms the bot cannot decide whether it's fair to lump all complevels together, e.g. using jumping/freelook to create sequence breaks.  So it's safer to avoid direct comparisons with the strict vanilla environment.  FWIW, and thanks again.  Ryan W (living fossil) 09:20, 14 February 2020 (CST)